Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
1/26/26: Trump Admin Lies On MN, Second Amendment Destroyed, Glenn Greenwald Sounds Off On ICE
26 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What lies did the Trump administration spread about the Minnesota shooting?
Mm hmm.
That's what happened. Now let's talk about it. Now that we all have the facts, now let's talk about it. That is one of the most important videos ever published in a situation like this. And again, the timeliness, your ability to bring it to our audience, to Dropside, it changed absolutely everything.
So again, I do want to thank you specifically, Ryan, and the entire team that you have over there.
guys let's go ahead and get started okay so we've we've teed some of this up i do at this point i'm assuming the vast majority of americans have seen this video according to some more recent polling i do think that the single most relevant part mac if we can go and cue this up if we're going to slow down the video what you're all watching here is a slow-mo effectively of the disarming of alex peretti as he is on the ground all right so let's go ahead and blow that up so people
What you're all seeing here is that while there are about seven ICE agents or Border Patrol agents that are on top of Alex is that you can watch one of these agents actually reach into his waistband. It's unclear if there's a holster there or not. Remove the weapon and then immediately. Afterwards, there are shots fired.
And in fact, one of the more shocking elements is not just a video, Ryan, that you reported. Guys, let's go and play the next one as well, as you can hear these agents frantically shouting, where's the gun? And this is very relevant. So I'm going to be quiet so that you can all hear the audio here. Specifically, Mac, let's roll it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
All right, let's come out of that. So you guys can also hear clearly these agents are shouting, where's the gun? They had no idea where the gun is. There are multiple theories, Ryan, as to how something like this could happen. The predominant theory from some gun enthusiasts is that it's a potential accidental or negligent discharge process. from the weapon after the disarm.
But what it does prove conclusively is that the weapon was not on his person at the time that he was killed. And I think most importantly as well is that it was removed from him. His hands were clear. There was an iPhone in one hand and the other hand was free. There is absolutely unambiguously no question that this in law enforcement parlance is bad shoot. And I think for all
Us, I think the most important element of this is that it is literally not disputable that he was armed at the time that he was killed. There is a term for that, I think, that we we all know. And, you know, in a normal system, they're very non-armed. Sorry, an unarmed man is killed in a normal system. You know, you would see something very different.
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Chapter 3: How is the Second Amendment being challenged in this context?
still completely unjustified. Even if that happens, it's still unjustified. Homicide is still a bad shoot. But we're in a place where I don't think anybody even remotely expects that the FBI or DHS are going to even do that, are going to ask that agent for his glove, are going to check, I hope I'm wrong. Gun residue test, yeah.
But when you have the FBI director going on air, basically clearing him for what he did, you have Bovino going on saying that the victim was actually trying to massacre officers. You have Noam then going on and word for word saying what Bovino said. And you have officials from the administration going on cable news saying the exact same thing.
You have Stephen Miller going after every Democrat or reporter who reports on it saying a man approached officers with a nine millimeter trying to massacre them. And this is your response to it. Shame on you. Like that's not an administration that anybody trusts. to do an investigation, even, even just to find, you know, minor details about it.
Um, but yes, like, and so that is a, that is a breaking of the social contract. Last night you started as you had half a dozen or a dozen people outside the hotel where they thought that ice was staying and smashing up cars and smashed the window, which
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the ICE shooting on civil liberties?
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I mean, that's the thing, Ron. I have spoken at length about liberal protest norms and liberal activism.
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Chapter 5: How does Glenn Greenwald view the surveillance state created by ICE?
And I, you know, incensed about that church, you know, the storming and all of that. And and I think all I mean, I agree. I maintain all of that. And one of the criticisms of that is, no, we don't violate the social contract is that we deserve or.
But an important part of that is that the the authority and in this case, the ultimate authority, the supreme authority, the United States government, the federal government of the United States in the way that they have conducted themselves after this incident. It it that also leads to an insane amount of chaos.
Chapter 6: What is the significance of the government shutdown in relation to the shooting?
And that is why I mean, I barely even have words for how angry I am about this situation. Can we put, you know, Mr. Bovino, by the way, you know, backtracking completely from his original claims. Mac, let's go ahead and load some of that up here, please. Let's just take a listen.
All those facts, things like how many shots were fired, where were the weapons located, all those facts are going to come out in the investigation. I wasn't there wrestling that assaultive subject that was assaulting Border Patrol agents. I wasn't there wrestling him myself. So I'm not going to speculate. I'm going to wait for that investigation to come. Don't interrupt me.
I'm going to wait till that investigation comes out until I make a decision there. During this operation, an individual, a That's bullshit. He didn't approach them with a gun. He had it holstered. And as the video that you showed very clearly showed, he was ā Look, I mean, let's not sugarcoat it either. Yeah, he was there to protest. OK, that's what I'm apparently.
Yes, he was there to protest. OK, that's his right that he's an American citizen. And at some point, somebody gets sprayed, pepper sprayed. He was trying to step in. He did resist.
Chapter 7: What are the reactions to the shooting from various political figures?
OK, fine. You can resist arrest. You shouldn't, in my opinion. But OK, fine. It's not a death sentence. It's only a death sentence. If you pull out a gun, you shoot, you point it at an officer. That is not what happened. Period. End of story. And the DHS secretary, Kirstie Noem, again, specifically in the moments after the shooting, accused him of brandishing a weapon.
Guys, let's go ahead and play that, please. That is our next one. These are all very important for the public record to show the immediate reaction. way that there were claimants. Also, yeah, doing this in the middle of a disastrous snowstorm where, you know, Ryan, you and I are all again, you know, when you're talking about the government, we're all looking for like decent information.
You know, what do we do exactly? We have like life threatening conditions on our roads. And this is the idiot that we have in charge. Let's go and take a listen. tend to do bodily harm and other convictions as well.
This individual went and impeded their law enforcement operations, attacked those officers, had a weapon on him and multiple, dozens of rounds of ammunition, wishing to inflict harm on these officers coming, brandishing like that and impeding their work that they were doing. Again, brandish is a term that means something very specific whenever it comes to law enforcement.
In no way, in no way does that rise to this at all. You know, to your point here about evidence, let's put the tear sheet, please, the Axios tear sheet number 14 here. On our rundown about evidence, there is now something that's been moving through the court system. A judge has, quote, blocked feds from destroying evidence in the Minnesota shooting.
There was a lot of confusion immediately after the shooting.
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Chapter 8: How does the narrative around domestic terrorism evolve in this context?
So according to the Minneapolis PD, they immediately tried to secure the scene. They said that they were blocked by the feds. The feds actually retreated. very quickly after this because of the growing number of protests. Minnesota PD also actually apparently was not able to secure the scene because of an insane amount of protesters.
So, again, look, I will ā I'm not even going to talk about liberal protesters today. It's not even appropriate because at this point ā go ahead. And on the point on resisting arrest, a law enforcement source sent me a piece of a training guide that has this pyramid that shows like ā
the level of compliance that a suspect is engaging in or noncompliance versus then the corresponding level of force that your training requires. And what the officer said that clearly what he would be categorized as is what they call passive resistance. Now, first of all, There's no evidence that they're actually even arresting him, if you notice. It escalated very quickly.
And again, you know, even for what purpose? Like, what did he do?
Right, what's he under arrest for?
They spray him, he puts his hands up, and then he grabs him, like, by the back of the jacket. He's trying to help the woman up. They throw him down on the ground. Certainly there's a fight. There's no, like, hey, you're under arrest, like, freeze. At least I couldn't hear it. And maybe we'll end up hearing it. And then they start hitting him with a flashlight and, you know, punching.
And then it becomes a fight. And it's termed passive resistance because he's not attacking them at all. Like he's not hitting them. And I think it's just a human reaction. Like if you imagine you've just been sprayed in the face multiple times, you can't see. You know, it's icy. And that's key too. It's icy. You're slipping around on the ground.
You're being hit with like a maglite in your head and your face. So you're trying to get your like hands and elbows in front of your head to protect yourself. It's just a natural impulse. It's going to look like you're wiggling and resisting. So that's why they have the term passive resistance.
The response to that is supposed to be a de-escalation and just an attempt to get the situation under control. There is no world in which passive resistance, which is the just above compliant on the pyramid, goes all the way up to deadly force. And... I see a diminishing number of people defending the actions of this agent or agents who killed him, but there's still some out there.
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