Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
6/17/26: Feds Charge Anti-ICE Protesters, Vance Pressed On Epstein, AIPAC Tracker Pledge
17 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What are the federal charges against anti-ICE protesters?
That's different than what we're seeing in this indictment. Again, we haven't heard from the defendants. So this can change. It does look like this is a pretty serious case against some of them who are openly admitting in the chats and in these private meetings with verbatim quotes, meaning they likely have recordings to saying, hey, we're going to conspire.
What we're doing right now is organizing to block federal officers from making arrests. Yeah. In some of the cases. So they'll have in one case, they have them kind of talking about getting a truck and having the truck kind of block the road. And they'll say, like, we're going to get arrested for this.
So that's the kind of level of civil disobedience, that it is civil disobedience, and you're committing to engage in it, which then comes with consequences. In a free society, when you're committing civil disobedience, though... It's generally not met with an attempt to put you in jail for life, in prison for life, or for 20 or 30 years or whatever. Yeah, and I won't dispute.
Actually, I keep talking. I have to take a drink. While it is true that there was some civil disobedience going on here, the reaction here is not what we expect from kind of a free society. And the legal argument, the legal counterargument that I would make, say like, oh, well, look, it's on the books that says, you know, you can't intimidate a federal officer.
First of all, it's like, that's unconstitutional. Like, come on, grow up. In the indictment, it says you caused emotional distress to the ICE agents. It's like, that's not a crime. Sorry that you're- Yes, causing emotional distress. I'm sure they'd love to arrest Will Stancil. But the counterargument would be prove that you are lawfully carrying out your duties.
Because what we see as a free people is a bunch of goons going around and snatching brown people off the street without asking them questions, grabbing them and then putting them in vans and driving off and then finding out later that
whether or not they are citizens, whether or not they're legal residents, whether they have asylum cases that are processing, or whether they're here completely illegally. They are grabbing first and then often then just dumping them somewhere else when they find out that they are here legally. And so that would be the counter argument, say,
If you really are carrying out lawful duties, you have to actually prove that. You have to demonstrate that to us. Because otherwise, we are a free citizenry that is here to support the law. And the law is you cannot snatch people off the street. You guys are the criminals. And if the law is that people should have unrestricted or unphysically blocked access to abortion clinics...
then the law is that the federal officers should be able to move people away from the abortion clinics without having interference from the activists who will physically block. And so I would just say people who are skeptical of this, because what I was going to say before I started coughing was I don't dispute that there will be over prosecutions here.
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Chapter 3: How does NSPM-7 relate to political violence and protest?
They tell us the fact that they knew each other in the 80s.
which the president himself admits, they ignore the fact that he narked on him to the police and led ultimately to Jeffrey Epstein's downfall. To that point, Anna, you know the Republican Party. Well, it's one of the things that led to law enforcement investigation.
But on the point that he made. It was allegedly over a real estate deal that they got into a fight over.
But the email says, the email says actually he- And they didn't just know each other.
Let's just be truthful and transparent here.
They didn't just know each other. He's in a lot of pictures. They were incredibly close friends.
He reported him to the police. That's what I'm saying. That is objectively true. But animate another point that I think, Whoopi, if I may, is animate a very important point.
This question about, did Donald Trump release these files only under duress from Republicans? And Anna, you know the Republican Party probably better than I do. The idea that Donald Trump runs around afraid of Republican congressmen as opposed to the other way around is kind of crazy. What was the bipartisan vote? It was Republicans and Democrats.
But because the Republicans control the House and the Senate, particularly the Senate, you need the Republican sign off. What the president did is, look, I will say this. Again, I was in there in the meetings.
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Chapter 4: What evidence is presented in the indictment of the protesters?
He was very frustrated that the Democrats were making this about him when he's like, look, I threw the guy out of my club. I am the guy who reported him to the police or one of the people who reported to the police. The president was frustrated about that. Absolutely. But he eventually came to say, you know what? Let's just get everything out there. Let's have this out in the public.
And he actually called the senators. I was there. He called the senators and said, you know what? Pass this bill. I'll sign it. And that was it. And just a couple of hours later, he told Megyn Kelly that he believed this big New York Times story, Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, about the Situation Room conversation regarding the Trump administration's plans for disclosure in the Epstein case.
He said that there were certain things in there that, quote, legitimately made me worried that people were taping. And in the Situation Room, which is a felony, he said that story was very bizarre. It was sort of nothing of a story in the sense that everybody started to know these details. But the fact that somebody had taped. So that seems to be some confirmation from J.D.
Vance that it was taped, right? Or certainly that it's all true. That's also the interesting part. If there was any doubt as to whether or not. what was reported by Swan and Haberman there is accurate. It's put to bed by Vance saying that it basically matches verbatim his recollection of the meeting, which means that they used the Situation Room to devise a scheme to cover up Epstein files.
Nobody is talking enough about the fact that this was in the Situation Room, first of all. Now, do I know how the Trump administration uses the Situation Room? No. But you're not supposed to be able to bring phones or recording devices in there. And actually, what it sounds to me is like they were discussing a story with serious national security implications.
Heard the drop site reporting in the action case. Yeah, apparently there is national security implications to it. I don't think they're taking political meetings normally. Now, the Trump administration, not exactly normal. But I think it's pretty odd to be taking a meeting about political strategy in the Situation Room.
But didn't it say Kash Patel and Bongino, or at least Kash Patel, joined by speakerphone? Yes, yes. I wonder who... I mean, I'm not accusing anybody of anything. But come on, if somebody's going to tape it, it's the dude on the speakerphone. Or presumably they were in a skiff. I don't know. Maybe they weren't. But... He's at the club. He's at the club, yeah.
He was in Vegas.
It was the guy with him at the club who recorded it. Maybe he was in an Uber.
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Chapter 5: What implications does NSPM-7 have for civil disobedience?
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