In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo and Dana sit down with long‑time colleague and leadership strategist Megan Kirwin for a deep exploration of what leadership in higher education really demands today. Megan reflects on her early days working with Mike Ridley, Bo, and the Guelph team, and how those formative experiences shaped her belief that leadership is fundamentally about presence, curiosity, and humanity. Across two decades working with universities nationwide, Megan has seen cultures transform — and crumble — based on how leaders show up. She shares why the most effective leaders blend vision and perseverance with humility, vulnerability, and a genuine desire to understand others. Drawing on her work in positive psychology and the now‑well‑established research on vulnerability popularized by Brené Brown, Megan explains why conscious leadership is no longer optional in today’s stressed and reactive higher‑ed environment. The conversation ranges from 360‑degree feedback and performance development, to trust‑building, to the fragility of organizational culture, to the legacy leaders leave in every micro‑moment. Megan also reflects on the wisdom passed down from her father — including the idea that leadership is really stewardship, walking beside rather than ahead. This is a rich, reflective, and practical episode for anyone navigating leadership, culture, or change in higher education. Refernces: Dare to Lead: Brené Brown Concious Friends Podcast Kirwin Group

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