The one and only Kail Lowry sits down with Cate & Ty to catch up on all things Kail. She talks about some of her regrets on having such public fallouts with friends on Teen Mom and how certain people started having expectations from their friendship. Ty explains how he's come up with a way to hold himself accountable when he starts to ramble and Cate shares with Kail how she was emotionally monitoring Ty early on in their relationship, something Cate learned was linked to her childhood.(Previously recorded in 2024)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the purpose of Kail's visit to the podcast?
Yeah, I'm so excited. Are you excited? Yeah, I'm excited, too, because we're working together again, and I didn't know if I would ever see you guys, like, in person again. I know. And here we are. And you guys trusted me enough to even ask me for advice, and I was like, fuck yeah. Like, this is my bread and butter. Yeah.
Well, it's funny, because I'm like, all right, let's reach out to Kale and ask her about it, and then all of a sudden it just turned into, like, I had no, we had no intention of, like, oh, we'll work together and do this.
You weren't going to sign to my network? Well, at first we just wanted advice. No, Kale was not.
Chapter 2: How did Kail Lowry transition from TV to podcasting?
I didn't know what was going on. Really? You were going to? Hell no. People were like, what? That wasn't our first thought. Honestly, it was more or less like, you know, she's really good at what she does. She's a friend of ours. We like kale. You know, like, I'm going to ask her some advice. Yeah. And then eventually it progressed that way. And I said, we would be stupid not to.
I was like, are you kidding me? Like, literally, any help you guys need, like, that's what all of us are here for.
Well, it was authentic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you've always been like that. So I was like, well, it'd be stupid not to do all of this.
I also think that I have paid my dues in the podcast community and where like I have been through three networks and the first one I went through, um, there was like lawyers and litigation and things like that. And I understood that, um, a lot of podcasters enter the podcast world and don't own their content.
Chapter 3: Why does Kail Lowry advocate for owning podcast content?
And so signing to my network, I fight for anyone that signs to killer to own their own stuff. So if you decided you're not happy with me, you take all your shit with you.
Right.
I'm not going to try to capitalize off of your shit.
Which is awesome.
I'm not going to try to capitalize off of what you have built. Right. I mean, because I went through that, that's been really, really important to me. Like even if someone chooses not to sign with my network, like go somewhere where you're going to own all of your content and you get to take that with you and you can't be replaced.
Cause a lot of times what will happen is they'll say, Oh, you built, break it down. Perfect. We'll change the names and add two new hosts. Wow. And they'll use all of the audience that you built and put someone else there. And so I advocate for that to not happen.
Well, that's why when we reached out, it was just out of advice at first. And then you were like, I mean, this is what's going on. I'm like, all right, well, it seems authentic enough. And what else do I have to lose? You know what I mean?
You know, Ty and I, we've known you for years. And there's been many moments where it's just been us and you. And we've talked about deep things. And you're just a very authentic person. And, you know, so I was like...
Well, I'm just glad that we all got to work together. I think that a lot of people also think that I burnt bridges with MTV and like don't. Oh, they do?
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Chapter 4: Did Kail Lowry burn bridges with MTV?
I think just in general. Like, I was just like, fuck this sort of deal. Not sort of like, fuck Larry or fuck MTV. It was just like, I was not in a good state of mind, but it was just sort of like, fuck everything.
Well, because in reality, it's like, how could you even realistically say fuck MTV? Because it's like, you wouldn't even... And I always... You wouldn't have what I have without it. I mean, so I was like, you know.
But that's the thing. They're like, well, Kale is... She has to remember where she came from. No, 100% I do. And I give flowers and I give credit where credit is due all the time. I understand that MTV is where I started. I understand.
Yeah.
But I also... feel like some of the cast, this is no shade to anyone, some cast members take that platform and launch and propel themselves into different directions and some don't.
Absolutely.
And so to say that I still owe them something when I've said thank you, I've paid my, like I've done all the things, I've literally exploited my entire life, I also deserve credit for propelling myself with the platform. Yeah, and what you have done with that platform, yes.
So people think you still owe, you're saying that people... Like I should still be... Thankful? I mean, I think you are.
That's like never going to go away. Right, right. But I also have worked my ass off. I was going to say, and it feels like they take it away when they're not seeing what you have done to really, like you said, propel yourself to bigger things.
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Chapter 5: How have public fallouts affected Kail's friendships?
Do you regret having your friendships be so involved in the TV world? Okay.
Not in a way that I... I don't regret the friendships, but I think having them so publicized, but I don't have family members that can be on the show. That's exactly what my thought was. What am I supposed to do when you want me to have a conversation? It was sort of like, and I hate to say this, but like Farrah really didn't have anyone. Right.
So that's when they if I remember correctly, that's when they started having to break the fourth wall with her producer because she literally didn't have anyone to talk to.
Right.
So it was either that or I was talking to friends. And so I think in that way, like, obviously, I needed to have those conversations. But at the same time, I do think that it changed the dynamic and the intentions of the people that I was talking to was like. It either didn't start off authentic and genuine or it turned into something where they wanted to have a following. They wanted to get paid.
100%.
And I think that's where a lot of them sort of went wrong where Becky and I don't have that same story, which you guys already met Becky earlier. It was like a very different sort of situation that happened. Well, and I remember Becky from years ago.
Meet in New York City, hanging out, you know, like I do. Yeah.
And then you guys had a falling out, but it wasn't really publicized by TV cameras, right?
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Chapter 6: Why do people assume Kail Lowry can't keep friends?
Isn't that interesting? Becky was offered like $10,000 to sell me out.
Wow. We talked a little bit about that.
Oh, you did? Yeah, we did. I didn't get to sit in on the episode. Okay, so for anyone listening to this episode, I am helping Caitlin and Tyler launch their podcast and I'm just here to support you guys in any way I can. So if I ever like take over this podcast, just stop me.
Yeah.
But so I wasn't there for the recording with Becky, but what did she say?
She said the same thing, how people were reaching out to her and companies were reaching out to her and saying, Hey, we'll pay you this. We'll pay you that. And she's like, and that was never part of like what I would want to do. She was like, it was just more of, Hey, we're not talking. And that's what it is. Like she was like, it didn't bring any interest to me.
And she said it actually bugged her a lot that all these people were reaching out to her, wanting her to talk about things.
Well, even like other friends that I fell out with, she said reached out to her to try to like.
What? See, that's weird.
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Chapter 7: How does Kail Lowry handle rumors and misconceptions?
But our friend, though, like we helped her, you know, we helped her get a trailer, but she paid us back like in that was the thing she wanted to do all the time. Yeah. You know, and she every time she got taxes, she sent us the money, you know, and it took her six years. But I'm fine with that.
I had someone where I helped them pay off college and she was like, I'll pay you back. She got her MTV check and bought a car. She, a new car. She already had one. She went on a cruise with her boyfriend. I was like, okay. Is this a former friend? Yeah. I mean, we never had a falling out. We just never spoke again. But I mean, she did things. She never paid me back.
Really? Wow. Wow. Hey, whatever.
It probably hasn't thought twice. Your intention was pure. And that's the thing. It's like I try to hold on to that, but it's just the point that you said you would pay me back. If you would have never said, oh, I'll pay you back, I wouldn't think twice about it. But it's just like –
But yeah, even recently we got our friend who just got her child back from not – and we got her a car because she was struggling and didn't have a car. And it's just like – and also letting one of our friends borrow my car. I'm not going to sit there with two cars in my driveway and then have someone in my tribe.
Three actually.
Yeah, and not have a car. I'm like, I'm not even driving this. Take it.
Use it.
And they're like, oh my god, really? I'm like, yeah, it's fine. Like I feel like – If you take care of your people, your people take care of you. And that's how awesome our friends are.
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Chapter 8: What challenges does Kail face with her children's interactions with friends?
thought were a lot deeper than they were or or maybe because of the situation that we fell out or whatever the case may be it's always my fault oh and so that's kind of what i was explaining to you earlier is that i still have this like very um guarded perception that i am so reactive i'm so angry i'm so bitter i can't keep a friend i'm always the problem like that is still you don't come i know so maybe we're not in a loop that's what people think of me like they truly believe that and i'm just like but it's not even like
Even with me and Becky, it wasn't a one-sided situation that caused us to fall out. It was very much a mutual decision. It was not even a decision, but more so like mutual circumstances that caused it. And I think that's across the board for all of them. But for some reason, people just assume it's me.
So, okay. So with the friendships that you had for like 10 years or whatever, obviously you had kids in those 10 years. And so do your friends, are they close with your children? And then your children, I mean, do you have to explain to your kids that, oh, the reason my Becky's not around anymore or whatever? You know what I mean?
Becky, I had to explain.
Okay. Okay.
Becky, I definitely had – because she was at my house like every weekend. Because we never – she lives in Jersey and I live in Delaware. So it was sort of a drive. But like we were doing Christmases together. Oh, wow. So there was like a huge gap and we were like – everyone was like, what's going on? But I don't necessarily have to explain – well, what's fucked up is I had a friend –
And then they reached out to Isaac. They were texting him and I was like, Oh, you're weird. No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, that's where I draw the line. Like now you've got me fucked up. Yeah. Um, yeah. You're reaching out to my kids. Like what?
That's weird.
Yeah.
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