Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Guaranteed human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Savannah Guthrie's mother missing day five. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. In the last hours, a presser from local law enforcement. This following literally a heartbreaking plea from Savannah, her sister Annie, and brother Cameron. All three looking exhausted, bone weary.
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Chapter 2: What updates have been provided about Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
But first, to the latest, I want you to hear what the sheriff said in the last hours.
I'll go over it with you. You can see it on the board there. But at about 5.32 p.m., these are approximate times, 5.32 p.m., Nancy travels to her local family's home for dinner and playing games with the family, just visiting. At 9.48 p.m., which is very consistent to what we were told by the family, that Nancy was dropped off at home.
And we know that because we have a garage door open at approximately, I can't stress that enough, at approximately 9.48 p.m. At 9.50 p.m., that garage door closes. It is that time we assume that Nancy's home and probably going to bed. Sunday morning, early morning at 1.47 a.m., the doorbell camera disconnects. At 2.12 a.m., software detects a person on a camera, but there's no video available.
They had no subscription, and therefore it would rewrite itself. It just kind of loops, right, and covers up. That's what our analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that. We'll do all we can, but that's what it says. It detects a person on camera. Could that be an animal? I imagine that's possible. We don't know that. We just have no video. But we're not giving up on that. 228.
Nancy's pacemaker app shows that it was a disconnect from the phone. And at 11.56 a.m., the family checks on Nancy and discovers her missing. And at 12.03 p.m., 911 is called in to the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
What are we learning? 9.48, the garage door opens. 9.50, it closes. Door cam disconnects. 1.47, so 9.10, 11, 12, 1. Four hours later, 2.12. I don't see how they can say this is a coincidence. This is an animal. The door cam disconnects at 1.47, 2.12. Software detects a person on camera. And I'm going to have to have Fitzgibbons explain what he's saying about looping and covering it up.
2.28, wow, 16 minutes later, her pacemaker disconnects from the phone, which means simply it goes 20, 30 feet away from her iPhone, which was left there in the home. It doesn't mean it quit working. It means it got away from the phone. The phone can't trace it anymore. 11.56, family checks on Nancy.
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Chapter 3: What timeline details are known regarding Nancy's last known movements?
12.03, it's on. Joining me tonight, an all-star panel to make sense of what we are learning. Now, we just got that timeline. So much is being made of, is one of the family a suspect? And we heard this year of today's state, we don't have a suspect, we don't have a person of interest, yet everyone is under suspicion. That's what they always say, everybody is under suspicion. But
What would it take, Bethany Marshall, for family members to sit with her that evening, be with her, and pretend nothing was going to happen, all the while plotting and planning her kidnapping, faking it? I just... Did you see Savannah Guthrie, Sister Annie, and Brother Cameron? They did not look like any of them were faking it. I know Savannah. She's not faking it. I get...
A deluge of people online suggesting she is somehow part of this. That's just ridiculous. No, that did not happen. But look at their demeanors, Dr. Bethany. Let's just clear that up right now.
Nancy's children are not responsible for this. They are not. I mean, I look at their demeanor. They're distraught. They're concerned. This is their mother. We don't have any... history to suggest that they had an antagonistic relationship with their mother they She was invited into the home on a Saturday night to play games and hang out with the family. This is a beloved mother and grandmother.
Now, what we don't know, and I keep waiting for this, is we don't know about caregivers, gardeners, people who are coming in and out of her life, bankers, financial people. There's somebody in her inner circle, somebody she confides in, maybe outside of her life,
the sibling group of her children who might know something about somebody who is pestering her, bothering her, somebody she has a suspicion about. And that's what I'm really, really so curious about. And none of that has come out so far.
Dr. Bethany, again, I want to look at Savannah, Annie, and Cameron last night. Again, I am getting deluged with people suggesting that they are somehow part of their own mother's disappearance. They say, look at Annie. She's not moving. She's not saying anything. Well, clearly they designated Savannah to speak. That's what she does for a living. They're numb. I've got to defend them, Dr. Bethany.
They're numb. They're exhausted. That's why they're not lively and chattering in the background.
I'm going to use a clinical term. They're dissociated. We dissociate when reality is unbearable. This is unbearable. Their dear mother is gone. There is blood on the front doorstep. They can't even contemplate. Nancy, you've talked about your mother. If something happened to her, you would panic, but then you would become numb too because the possibilities are so overwhelming.
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Chapter 4: What evidence has been found at Nancy's home during the investigation?
That's where the door cam used to be. It fit right there. It's gone. Now, what is he trying to say?
What is he saying, Brian? The animal comment was perplexing. I believe what the sheriff is saying is that at 1.47, that doorbell camera was removed from its base so that there was some digital log in the camera to that effect. And now at 2.12, you have to understand a Nest camera has three modes, home, away, and off. And in the home mode,
it will still register seeing a person and that will log that data in a log that it saw a person, but it won't be recording while in home mode. So, you know, was the camera in home mode? It just made it log that event. That's what it seems to be to me. I don't think that these cameras are going to mistake a person for an animal. Most of the cameras nowadays will accurately record
You know, if they see a dog or a deer walk by it, it will record an animal over a person.
I've been saying, Ringbell, it's a nest. You're right, Brian. Now tell me how that works again. And I want to make what you say and what he said both be true. I want you to reconcile what he said, decipher it, and tell me what happened.
What it sounds like to me, Nancy, is that that camera was popped off from the inside of the house. So it didn't register seeing anybody. And then when it was moved at 2.12, it actually sees a person. So I think what we can see, what we can glean from this timeline is the doorbell camera was disconnected off the base.
25 minutes later, that camera is moved and it's pointing in the direction that it actually registers contact with a person.
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. The doorbell camera, it was removed. We know that, but we're not confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed around the house.
OK. All right. Dave Mack, speaking of cameras, quote, around the house, is it your understanding there were granny cams, as I call the ones we have for my mom? You know, there's nanny cams. I call them granny cams. Were there granny cams in Mrs. Guthrie's home?
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Chapter 5: How does the pacemaker data contribute to understanding Nancy's situation?
So the ransom note that was distributed to the media did make a demand for 5 p.m. today. And if a transfer wasn't made, then I think a second demand was for next Monday. We're not going to go beyond that. But that was the ransom note the media received.
Well, it seems to me they missed today's 5 p.m. deadline. So we've got another deadline. Got a question. Did you guys glean that the ransom notes sent to at least two, possibly three news outlets were the exact same ransom note? That's my understanding as we go to air right now. What about it, Dave Mack?
It seems to be that is the case because they being the sheriff's department, law enforcement has not indicated that they were all different individual. And what is being reported is consistent from all outlets so far. You've got outlets there in Tucson, local TV, but then you've got the national angle of it with TMZ, and they appear to all say the same information.
So whether they're identical, I don't know, but it was emailed to the outlets, and that would be indicative of easy enough just to copy and paste or forward whatever you want to do.
Okay, if it's emailed, why don't we have the IP provider? How are ways that criminals hide the location from which they send an email, Brian?
Yes, so they could use a series of VPNs to protect this, you know, where they created the email accounts.
you know depending on how nuanced they are they could make this very very difficult now what i will say is if there's any team uh the fbi is probably the best in the world at unwinding that so you know it takes time uh and i think that uh that is something that they're clearly clearly focused on
Now, when you say VPN, you mean a virtual private network. How does that work? Because it seems to me that that could easily be pierced. You're on your computer and you go to private browser. I mean, how do you do VPN, Brian?
No, this would be far more nuanced. In order to hide your identity from the FBI, it would be far more nuanced than subscribing to a VPN service. You would need to have planned out the devices you're gonna use, how you're gonna connect to the internet, and then layering, filtering that message through multiple devices that might be not located with you.
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