Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing. We learn one car in particular taking center stage in the FBI's analysis. A white vehicle seen in the maze of streets surrounding Nancy's home. What is the latest? Tonight, we're also learning that this vacant home may have been used as a staging area. for the kidnapper.
Does that explain why we don't see the kidnapper entering or exiting from a vehicle? He's in no rush.
Chapter 2: What are the latest developments in Nancy Guthrie's missing person case?
The dog behind Nancy Guthrie's home goes crazy at 2 a.m. Is it because he didn't need a car? Because he has a staging area near Nancy's home in her very
Chapter 3: How is the FBI analyzing the vehicle related to Nancy's disappearance?
own neighborhood. Also, the FBI focusing on pharmaceutical records that are similar to Nancy Guthrie's medication. All of this happening while we learn that the casting attempts failed trying to get footprints or tracks outside the home. The FBI now apparently looking at electrostatic lift prints from inside the home. And what is Nanos doing during all of this? He's going to the gym.
Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. One vehicle in particular is taking center stage with the FBI search for Nancy Guthrie. It is a white vehicle.
Chapter 4: What role does the vacant home play in the investigation?
Straight out to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Dave Mack, it's curious. The Via Entrada is like a maze. streets and intersections surrounding, it's part of that anyway, surrounding Nancy Guthrie's home. What can you tell me about Pima County Sheriff's requesting now surveillance footage, anything neighbors may have of a vehicle? Tell me what you know.
The law enforcement, we're talking the FBI and the sheriff's department asking all of the homes in the area if they have a camera pointed toward the street to go back and get that video for the law enforcement because they don't want it being recorded over. You're showing right there. At 2.38 in the morning, we've got a car within two and a half miles of Nancy Guthrie's home seen on ring camera.
This is a shocker because when the sheriff's department first put up their ring of area they were confident in was about two miles. This is a two and a half miles. So they missed it. Now this is becoming a huge part of the investigation as law enforcement is trying to identify what type of vehicle it is and anything else they can find.
So they're looking for any vehicles traveling along these roads that match up with this vehicle, trying to identify it, Nancy. And they're looking for every camera they can find.
I want to go straight out to Scott Eicher joining us, a founding member of the FBI. By the way, this video is from our friends at Fox News. The FBI's cellular analysis survey team, but also homicide investigator in Norfolk Police, has worked so many missing people cases, he can't count them. Now at Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott Eicher, speaking of the car, I think it's very telling that...
Pima County Sheriff's is asking now for footage of vehicles in the neighborhood. And they asked for footage about a car the morning, 10 a.m., the morning of the kidnap. That would have been January 31st. What do you think?
Well, this is the normal process of the investigation like this. You have breakout groups that are looking at different sections of the investigation. I'm sure there's one group of investigators that are saying, okay, we're going to concentrate on trying to identify this car seen going by the cactuses, and we got to start working on that. So they'll follow that path.
They'll go out and talk to the neighbors. They'll help the neighbors access their cameras, because as we know, some people... are not very good at accessing their film and their footage, they'll go to the businesses and they're gonna keep asking the public to provide anything they have that might help identify vehicles that were in that area at that time.
We're doing the same thing with the cell phones, right? We're following cell phones. Hopefully we see a cell phone follow that same track as that car went from Nancy's neighborhood to that main street. Things like that will help us clue and piece it together.
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Chapter 5: What forensic evidence is being examined in Nancy Guthrie's case?
Because even if the perp turned off his cell the night of the kidnapping, I guarantee you he didn't turn it off the morning of the kidnapping, 10 a.m.
See where I'm going? Yeah, yeah. Why would you? And again, this is another one of these benchmarks relative to benchmarking that immediate point in time. And this goes back to a theory that I've held on and other people have held on to over the time. And that's the idea of casing this area. Just going back and making sure that everything is as they perceive it to be.
Maybe taking one last glance at it. at the area before they go in to do whatever it is that they're going to do. And assessing the area, I think that this is very, very critical piece of information, Nancy, because if they can tie that back to a suspect here, this is going to be critical moving forward with the case specifically.
On day one, Brian Fitzgibbons joining us, USPA Nationwide Security. Let me just say again, leading a team of investigators that do nothing but find missing people and extract them. Former Marine, Iraqi war vet, Fitzgibbons. Day one, you and I said, car, car. You've got Brian Koberger cracked with a car. Yes, we hear about the DNA analysis, which was amazing.
But it all started with a clerk at a gas station seeing his white Elantra speeding by around 4 a.m. the morning of the murders. Right. And she gave that to police. And the alarm went out to all law enforcement, including campus police, about a white Elantra. A campus cop at WSU, Washington State University, says, oh, who's registered on campus for a parking spot with a white Elantra?
Oh, Brian Koberger. That's where his name came from, because of his car. And then I like to use the case of glam yoga instructor Caitlin Armstrong. She murdered her love rival, a world-class dirt bike champion, over a man. Really? And her SUV is seen circling and circling and circling the murder scene. And then, of course, there's Molly Tibbetts.
She goes out for a jog after studying all afternoon and over and over. There she is. There's Molly. And this guy keeps approaching her. Because of distinctive markings on his vehicle, he's tracked through a vehicle. Day one, Fitzgibbons, we said car. And I'm not giving you or myself a pat on the back. I'm saying if this is the car, if this is the car at 10 a.m.
Jan 31 that they're interested in, jackpot. Maybe.
Yeah. And, you know, hey, you can go to great lengths to hide a cell phone. You could not take it. You could put it in airplane mode.
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Chapter 6: How are surveillance footage and eyewitness accounts being used?
It could be in a Faraday bag to try to keep Scott Eicher from finding you. But you can't hide a car. You can't hide a vehicle.
So the hope is that if we can identify this vehicle and start to piece together some of the video evidence from the surrounding area, and experts on this case have gone to great lengths, including Douglas McGregor, who's been on this show, to map out the potential avenues of egress from Mrs. Guthrie's home.
So that's got to be the focus is getting the description of that vehicle and trying to find some video evidence of it to tie it back to him.
Okay, Scott Eicher, how do you trace a car? Once we have the picture, if we get the picture at 10 a.m., they've got to have a reason that they're saying 10 a.m. the morning of the kidnap. Jan 31, she's kidnapped. Go through the clock the next morning around 2 a.m. Why are they saying 10 a.m. Jan 31? They've got to have a reason for saying that. Was there an eyewitness?
Remember early on a neighbor said they had seen a strange car that didn't belong to anybody. sitting out on the street for an extended period of time near Nancy's home. Is it that car? Are we finally tying something together tonight? So let's just pretend, for argument's sake, it is the car. They've got a time. They have a time. They must know about a car. So how do we track it?
Well, there's several different ways. One, we've talked about the videos and they've got to really push that to get that from all the neighbors, all the businesses. Two is looking at the cell phones embedded in cars. If it's a newer type vehicle, we can narrow that down through the tower dumps of that area
identifying the type of cars that are there, hopefully it will match the types of cars, and then we can track those cars and the cell phones that are traveling with those cars at those specific times.
So that would help us get to those points of hopefully identifying who that is and what kind of car they were in, and then where they went to after they were in the area around the time of the infection.
So here's another question out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Can they trace the car's movements? Which way was it going? Does it match potentially one of the cars caught 2.5 miles away the night of the kidnapping that we see on video? Is it one of those cars? Can we connect that? Can we connect it to the car that's been sitting out in the neighborhood surveilling?
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Chapter 7: What theories are emerging about the motive behind Nancy's abduction?
looking for things like fingerprints, footprints, anything that can tie back to perhaps Mrs. Guthrie's location, maybe even that car that we were talking about, the phone, points of ingress and egress. You think about that gate back there in the backside. Did they always take care if they were surveilling the area to walk through that gate? Did they touch it? Had they left anything behind?
So all of this stuff is still on the table, my friend.
This could explain why we don't see a car that night, why the porch guy approached on foot. Is the vacant house behind Guthrie's home? Does it require the perp to come through the yard where the dog barked? Is the vacant home being processed for prints, DNA evidence? Question, were people squatting there? Did they have a lease? Did they rent property? We see the feds walking the trail.
Is this why? So many cases that I have covered and investigated and prosecuted involved use of a vacant home. Just got while I've got you. We now know that the cast prints that were attempted outdoors. likely yielded nothing, probably because it was a gravel walkway for any number of reasons. But there's still hope of electrostatic lifts.
What's that? OK, so when you think about electrostatic lifts, we all know about magnetism, right? We learned about that in physical science back in junior high school. So negatives attract positives. So what we do with electrostatic lift, you see an example of one here that we did at Jack State. That's a mylar sheet. It's kind of like vinyl.
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Chapter 8: What challenges do investigators face in analyzing blood evidence?
You lay it over a suspected area where you have taken an oblique light. You see how we're lighting that kind of obliquely like that? And we try to raise that print by electrostatic charge. So you place the mylar sheet over it. You add an electrical charge. The charge on the paper on the mylar is actually negative and everything at the ground level is positive.
So what happens is this is lifted and captured. And we have that for, you know, as long as we treat it, you know, with respect, the bit of evidence so that we don't ruin it, we can go back to the lab and we can have a footprint expert that can assess it. And you're gonna look for all kinds of little anomalies in there.
And here's a thought, here's a thought as well, back to that vacant house, okay? Are there any footprints over there that they could have actually assessed relative to electromagnetic lifts that could be tied back to anything that they might find on the floors inside of her house?
If the scene wasn't destroyed by crime scene investigators, Scott Eicher, we're also learning that the feds are searching for pharmaceutical records. similar to meds used by Nancy Guthrie. How do you do that? Clearly, they're trying to find someone filling prescriptions or getting meds for Nancy Guthrie. So how do you go about finding that information?
Well, you got to first jump the hurdle of privacy regarding medical records. That's going to be a tough one to get past. One of the things that you think about is that if they abducted Nancy and they wanted to keep her alive, did they refill her prescription somehow?
Okay, maybe they didn't do that, but can we find other people, newer people, that just started the same type of prescriptions that Nancy was on? So, I mean, that's an avenue to go, but I think it's going to be hard. It's not like you can do a tower dump on prescriptions. You're going to have to find a way to get into the privacy aspect of getting people's medical histories.
Well, if there's a way, I guarantee the feds will find it. Tonight, we're also learning the feds are expanding their questioning to people that don't necessarily live in the neighborhood. They are now questioning landscapers, construction workers, gardeners, you name it. Maybe the pool crew that Nana's allowed to come clean the pool. after the kidnapping.
Question to you, Dave Mack, is it true that in the midst of all this, with the feds doing the heavy lifting, Nanos is spending quality time at the gym?
Nancy, he is under a microscope and it doesn't seem to bother him in the least bit. Just to give you an idea, he has gone to the gym four out of five days. He's spending 90 plus minutes inside the gym. And by the way, he's being followed by the media because, again, this is a guy that's got a recall out on him right now. He lives in an $850,000 gated community. His home is a mini mansion.
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