Chapter 1: What is the current status of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
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This is very concerning to us. We don't typically, you don't typically get the sheriff out at a scene like this, but it's very concerning what we're learning from the house. And so we'll just continue on. The detectives, their homicide team is out right now looking at the scene as well.
What is it about the scene that concerns you?
I don't want to get into those details. I would just tell you that it's certainly a grave concern to us, just what we see there. And we'll continue to look.
So you suspect foul play? I'm not ruling it out. Would you gauge the chances are that it's foul play? Would you be willing to give us any idea on that? I hope it's not.
I hope we find her.
I hope we find her safe and sound.
Tonight, our friend Savannah Guthrie needs our help, including you. Her 84-year-old mother in Arizona is missing. Right now, it's being treated as a crime scene. Straight out to Dave Mack joining us, investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Dave, what do we know?
We know that Nancy, a relative, called 911 yesterday just around 12 noon and reported Nancy Guthrie, 84 years old, missing. Now, Nancy, there are several things to consider here. The Sheriff's Department has already said this looks like a crime scene in that house. They went out right away and already got boots on the ground. They even brought in homicide detectives early.
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Chapter 2: What evidence suggests foul play in Nancy Guthrie's case?
What do we do now? She's limited in mobility. Listen to me. The sheriff, Chris Nano, says she did not just walk out of there, Brian. So what do we do right now? I would immediately bring in canines, both types of canines, scent dogs, tracker dogs and cadaver dogs. I bring them both in right now.
Absolutely, Nancy. And Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has made some immediate coordination to have those things happen. You had canine teams brought over from Customs and Border Patrol, helicopter assets in the air, as well as drones with search and rescue technologies searching the immediate area. Because as you said, you know, Nancy Guthrie being 84 years old,
with some medical conditions, was not going to walk on her own power a significant distance. So those assets have been utilized, and unfortunately, law enforcement has come up with nothing from that.
Okay, Brian Fitzgibbons, I just made a horrible, horrible mistake. Dr. Bethany Marshall, I just, when Brian was talking about her needing meds, I thought about my mom. Last night, I don't know, quarter of 12, I was in my mom's room. She lives with us. She just turned 94. And I saw where she had not had her night meds. And they're in one of those big boxes, you know, where you lay them out.
There's so many day by day. There's morning meds and there's night meds. And if she doesn't have those meds, she'll die. They thin her blood. They're for her heart. I don't even know what they all are. And without those meds, she'll die. My mom will die. She has to have those meds. And I was thinking about what the sheriff said, that she's not mobile.
She can't, you know, just walk out of there alive. They're treating it like a crime scene, Dr. Bethany. And I know we keep showing smiley pictures of Savannah Bethany, but Savannah is not just a famous TV star. You know, she's the co-host of the Today Show. I still think of Savannah when she first came to join me at Court TV. And she is the same sweet girl
person now that she was then before she became a huge star just when you see her smiling unlike a lot of TV people That's real. That's who Savannah is. And I'm thinking tonight, Dr. Bethany, when you have your mom in a, let's just say a rest home or retirement community, and that's what the mom wants. They want to be independent. They want to live on their own.
But the whole time you're riddled with fear. Yes, you're taking care of your own children, your own family, your own job. But every day you're worried. I wonder if mom's okay. But I know she must be totally riddled with fear.
Nancy, she must be terrified because you have a 94-year-old mom and I just lost my 95-year-old dad this past year. When you have a parent that age, it activates the same feelings as if you have a baby. You're always wondering, is the baby okay? Are they being cared for even if they're in a nursing home? Are their meals being brought regularly? Is somebody abusing them? Parents want autonomy.
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Chapter 3: How did Nancy Guthrie's family react to her disappearance?
And she's actually right. There's no way this 84-year-old mom leaves her door wide open. That didn't happen. So that said, what do we do?
Yeah, you've correctly highlighted something here. This is not a standard case of a missing elder where some medical event has led to temporary confusion or that there was early onset dementia or something like that. We have the Pima County Sheriff clearly identifying that this is a crime scene. We have a door left wide open, right? Which a woman living alone of sound mind is not gonna do this.
And he's been very crystal clear about the assets that have been brought in very quickly. So all of these things add up to let us know that something happened to Miss Guthrie. on the night of the 31st after she was dropped off.
And that this is- And in just a few hours, Brian, we've got a very narrow timeline. She's dropped off from the church function Saturday evening. Sunday morning, time for church, she's gone. We've got maybe a 10-hour window right there. How does that help, Brian, or hurt?
That's incredibly helpful because what law enforcement is doing now and in the statement that just happened hours ago, they are beginning an extensive search of license plate readers. all camera surveillance in the area. They're soliciting tips from the public. So they're moving, they're shifting their focus to a technology focus now to piece together that timeline.
Having it narrowed down is going to make it a faster process.
Savannah, of course, has left New York and is in Arizona aiding in the search for her mother. There's no way Savannah Guthrie would sit home while other people are looking for her beloved mother, Nancy Guthrie. Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter, did I understand that the FBI has been brought in?
They have been, Nancy. And, you know, authorities are not aware of any threats against Savannah Guthrie. But, Nancy, you mentioned that Savannah Guthrie is a very high-profile news celebrity and co-host of the NBC Today show. Would not be unusual for threats against her. They're not saying that, but the FBI is aware of this case, as is U.S. Customs and Border Protection also assisting.
Nancy, you know, they brought in all the assets, drones, helicopters, and everything right away. But, you know, we have found out they've all been sent home at this point. I don't know what they found out, but certain aspects of this investigation are changing.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the blood evidence found at the scene?
Just assume that the media outlets are correct, that it is her blood. There had to be something about the blood that raised law enforcement's suspicions, because her blood could be on a knife in the kitchen. It could be on the kitchen sink. It could be in the bathroom. She may have had a nosebleed. She may have cut her finger. She may have stubbed her toe. That's not suspicious.
What would be suspicious about her blood that would concern law enforcement? Brian Fitzgibbons is the amount of the blood. Is it a copious amount of blood or the location of the blood? Is there blood on the door, the front door as she is being taken out of the door or the nature of the blood?
Brian Fitzgibbons, is it a spray indicating a gunshot wound is, uh, are there, is there blood spatter, uh, indicating a sharp instrument was used and that she was bludgeoned. So what I'm trying to get at, Brian Fitzgibbons, just her blood or her DNA there in her home means nothing. It's got to be either the location, the amount or the nature of the blood way in Fitzgibbons.
Correct. And you look at this crime scene, as it's been called by Pima County Sheriff Nanos, that this is indeed a crime scene, that he does have evidence of a forced entry, that he does have evidence at the crime scene that Mrs. Guthrie left against her will. And you combine that with DNA found at the scene. You know, that paints a picture of what we're seeing.
Was there a trail of blood leading out to the driveway? Was there blood spatter? Something connected the dots with those other statements that the sheriff made to lead to this conclusion that that DNA connected the dots on this being a potential abduction.
And again, joining us, Dr. Gray, Stafford Gray. Another issue is this. When we hear blood, Nancy Guthrie's blood caused concern amongst L.E., law enforcement. That doesn't, I'm trying to look at this in a bright light, in the best light possible for Ms. Guthrie. That does not necessarily mean she was bludgeoned or stabbed or shot. Maybe she was struck.
Maybe when you are struck in the face, a nosebleed can be very profuse. You bleed a lot from any injury around your nose or your mouth. So that could be a more innocent explanation, not a good one, but a more innocent one.
Yes, it certainly could. And as your other guest pointed out, it's the amount, it's the proximity to the house, the driveway. Was it a trail? Was it a single spot? A lot of open questions still.
You know, I want to go back over what we're learning at this hour. For those of you just joining us, Nancy Guthrie is 84. She is the mom of our friend Savannah Guthrie of NBC Today. She's 5'5". She weighs about 150 pounds. Brown hair, beautiful blue eyes. She lives alone, upscale community. Last seen Sunday evening at a church function. Last seen Saturday evening at a church function.
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Chapter 5: What evidence suggests Nancy Guthrie's condition during her disappearance?
They don't know if their mother is being tormented. If she's alive, if she's dead, they can't even feel her through, Nancy. That's what we're seeing.
You know, I was looking very carefully at that door photo, the photo of the front door and the stepway, the driveway, walkway, where there's blood. If you look carefully to the right of that double lock, there is a red smudge. And it's in close proximity to the blood on the ground, on the walkway. Is that Nancy's blood?
Now, we've been told, and correct me if I'm wrong, Dave Mack, that there was no blood on the interior of the home that they've been able to identify yet.
I would make sure you say yet. They haven't said that it's in there yet. But they did identify the blood right there at the entryway as being Nancy's.
Well, if there's blood on the inside, then why haven't they identified that either?
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Chapter 6: What details emerge about the timeline of Nancy's last known movements?
And, you know, another thing, joining us, guys, Brian Fitzgibbons from USPA Nationwide Security. For a living, he leads a team of investigators that go worldwide finding missing people. You can get blood DNA analysis back overnight, almost immediately. I don't know what they're talking about. They're waiting on samples.
Maybe they've gotten unidentified DNA and they're trying to get a sample from that. That would take longer.
Yeah, I think that there's probably some touch DNA from the inside that they're looking to analyze.
Chapter 7: How do ransom notes impact the investigation of Nancy Guthrie's case?
And with now the FBI announcing that they're jointly on this case, the ability to process these things much faster is going to come into play. So, you know, I think in the coming days, we're going to learn a lot more about the case.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So the mom is dropped off early in the evening around 9.48. That's when the garage door has activity. 9.50, the garage door closes. With me, as I mentioned, an all-star panel, Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter on this case from the very beginning, Brian Fitzgibbons.
I just introduced you to him, USPA, Nationwide Security, and a renowned psychoanalyst, Dr. Bethany Marshall. Joining us out of L.A., she's the author of Deal Breakers. You can see her starring on Peacock now and find her at drbethanymarshall.com.
Chapter 8: What forensic evidence is being considered in Nancy Guthrie's investigation?
We're talking about the timeline. Looking at the timeline, 1.47 a.m., the doorbell disconnects. 1.47 a.m., the door cam, doorbell cam, disconnects. 2.12 a.m., software detects a person on camera. But see, the camera part of that has been disconnected. So, while the software is picking up movement... The cam isn't seeing it. That's how I understand it.
But then Brian Fitzgibbons, he launches into some discussion that it could have been an animal. My question is, why would the door cam disconnect? I mean, look in the picture. There's just a silver circle where the door cam used to be, right? It's that silver thing right there. That's where the door cam used to be. It fit right there. It's gone. Now, what is he trying to say?
What is he saying, Brian? The animal comment was perplexing. I believe what the sheriff is saying is that at 1.47, that doorbell camera was removed from its base so that there was some digital log in the camera to that effect. And now at 2.12, you have to understand a Nest camera has three modes, home, away, and off. And in the home mode...
it will still register seeing a person and that will log that data in a log that it saw a person, but it won't be recording while in home mode. So, you know, was the camera in home mode? It just made it log that event. That's what it seems to be to me. I don't think that these cameras are gonna mistake a person for an animal. Most of the cameras nowadays will accurately record
You know, if they see a dog or a deer walk by it, it will record an animal over a person.
I've been saying, Ringbell, it's a nest. You're right, Brian. Now tell me how that works again. And I want to make what you say and what he said both be true. I want you to reconcile what he said, decipher it, and tell me what happened.
What it sounds like to me, Nancy, is that that camera was popped off from the inside of the house. So it didn't register seeing anybody. And then when it was moved at 2.12, it actually sees a person. So I think what we can see, what we can glean from this timeline is the doorbell camera was disconnected off the base.
25 minutes later, that camera is moved and it's pointing in the direction that it actually registers contact with a person.
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. The doorbell camera, it was removed.
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