Caught In The Crossfire - Brian Sherry, Former Detective on the case full interiew (Episode 9)
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Who is Brian Sherry and what cases does he discuss in this full interview?
This is a case actually that could still be solved by witnesses coming forward, by talking to people, talking to other criminals. A lot of the people who created that fear in the area at that particular time are now gone. Their status as major criminals would no longer be there to affect any potential witnesses or anything like that. He would sort of hope, like I mean, that their conscience would eventually help them to come and say, look, I did see this. I did see who did it. I did see the people who did this. I know them.
The 80s had the General. The 90s had John Gilligan. And in the noughties, it was the reign of Martin Marlow Hyland. He ruled over the drug scene, working his way up the ranks, taking the opportunity to step in when others fell by the wayside. He grew increasingly reckless and paranoid and therefore became a liability. He had to go. And the circumstances of his death just added to his legacy. That an innocent young man doing an honest day's work lost his life is just terrible. During the making of Caught in the Crossfire, I sat down with retired detective Brian Sherry to discuss the Anthony Campbell and Martin Marlow Highland murder investigations. What you heard throughout the series were snippets of that interview.
As a bonus, we're releasing the full interview so you can hear Brian's full and unabridged account of his time working on the case.
Okay, my name is Brian Sherry and I'm a retired detective inspector. I retired in July 2007. And at that particular time, just before my retirement, I was based in Blanchardstown. And that area was covering Finglas and Cabra and Blanchardstown. And I joined the Guards back in 1971. And I had 36 years service at that time. I decided to retire in 2007, but I had made my mind up in 2006. And shortly after this murder, like, I mean, that made my mind up.
It's one of those things. That stayed with you. It just got you.
Most of the murders I had investigated up to that were well-known criminals and everything else like that. O.K. Marlow was a well-known criminal, but John Campbell wasn't.
Yeah.
When I walked into the house that morning, I saw him on the floor with a hole in his head. And he was lying just under the radiator. That's how the plumber couldn't see him.
Look, people think that guards, that investigators, that journalists... That we've... Quite hard-nosed. Hard-nosed.
And that we've seen it all and it's just... Well, I was and I probably still am if I go to the right scene or something like that. I mean, I have seen some horrendous scenes and I've been in horrendous situations and things like that and it never affected me. Just one day.
This one did, yeah. And you know, the thing is that when I started talking to Christine, I mean, how many murders are there? Each one of them has family and all the trauma and the generational trauma that goes with it. And you know, in the media you're covering this murder, you're covering that murder, all the rest of it. But that one stayed with me. And it was all those elements you describe. I didn't obviously have the... nightmare of walking in and seeing that. There was something about his face, the innocence, the smiling child about to become a man. Yeah. You know, and the idea that it was a mother's only child and she lost her only child in such. Oh, it was the cruel. Senseless.
It was really cruel. And she was a lovely woman.
Yeah.
His grandmother and his whole family, like, I mean, Christine's parents, they were all lovely people, like, I mean, and, you know, salt of the earth. It was horrendous. And it was one that we all wanted to solve, every one of us. And we put our backs and bones into it. And I know that, like, I mean, I know because I had a great crew in Blanchardstown. And Finglas and Canberra. The murder happened in the Finglas area where we moved to Blanchardstown for the, you know, to carry out the investigation because we had a room out there. When I went out there in 2002, they had a small little room. where one fell in doing files and that. And within a year, we were slaughtered.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
Who is Brian Sherry and what cases does he discuss in this full interview?
0:01–5:12
2
How did Dublin’s organised crime landscape change from the 1980s to the 2000s?
5:12–37:47
3
What factors led Martin ‘Marlo’ Hyland to rise as a gangland kingpin?
37:47–53:00
4
How did Gardaí structure the investigation unit in Blanchardstown and Finglas?
53:00–58:29
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