Daniel Kinahan: King of Spin (Part Four)
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This is Daniel Kinahan, King of Spin, a four-part crime world special. Part four, The Fallout.
It's just to give you a chance to say what you have to say. And all I can say is that you'd be given a completely fair shout. Like, if you want to say something, like, say it.
I understand that. We're speaking from the business aspect, Ken.
Really.
Your publication is a bullshit publication, in my opinion, in the IMF group, in everything that they do, and they have their narrative and they have their agenda. So why am I going to get you a lot of subscribers, likes, sales, anything like that? That's where I'm feeling from, where I feel from it. Because, really, look, let's call this day the day, Jack. At the moment, I understand the position I'm in, I understand the hate campaign, the witchcraft, I mean, I'm going to have to take the weeds through, whatever they want to do and say, though. At the end of the day, I can get this on American TV, BBC, you know what I'm saying?
How did Ken Foy first get an unexpected 35-minute phone call with Daniel Kinahan?
You can go anywhere. So what should I do if I really can't? We're speaking from the business aspect, and I'm not saying this in an arrogant or disrespectful way, you know? No, no. You know, if I go to one reporter, you basically, on the back of me, can become a millionaire. Do you want to get a sheet of books with micro-talents on it? green arms, I don't know the names, these are reporters, and take a load of money, pat themselves on the back, and basically have people at the star and gone out and given themselves awards for getting the old books. But there is no journalism. There is no investigation of the crime. Only what the narrative is runs down the throat. That's how it is here.
Do you not want to change... Daniel, Daniel. Daniel, sorry, one second. Do you not want to change the narrative?
What did Daniel Kinahan demand from the Irish media during the phone conversation?
Do you not just want to address what's been said? Like in the Dáil. In the High Court, man.
It's none of my business what people think of me. Because you know what? I know who I am. And what you think I am, that's who I am. And there's a lot of things you don't understand or don't see either. I'm not saying you're stupid. That's good. But there's a lot of things happening. Ken, this approach to try and talk to Daniel Kinahan, have you ever tried this before?
Have you ever been in touch with him? Have you ever been on the phone to him?
No, that was the first time I ever spoke to Daniel Kinahan.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it was kind of a surprise. I had been saying earlier, I had been speaking to an intermediary and that person, you know, certain conversations happened. And I think it was decided between that person and Daniel that the best thing to do, maybe while he was deciding to issue a statement, was to actually have a conversation with me. And it turned out to be kind of a lengthy conversation, really. He really hates the media. Yeah, particularly the Irish media. Particularly, he really seems to, he doesn't like our newspaper group at all.
No, we're sort of described as sort of bullshit media or something like this.
But he's looking for this quid pro quo, as he describes it, where, you know, he'll do something for you, he'll give you this statement or he sort of promises something in the future, but he's looking for something back. It's really a classic way a criminal deals with the media, isn't it? They always believe there has to be something in it for them.
He's not hiding his intention there at all either. He kind of says that a number of times. So ultimately what we found out afterwards, he wasn't very happy with how the article was done and the statement. We obviously printed the full statement and everything like that. But I think as time went on, he realised that we were actually as fair as what we could have been at the particular time.
He kind of does agree to give you that statement through his lawyers. Yes. Like ultimately.
Ultimately, yeah.
After ever much ado, you know, he does agree to that. You kind of convince him to give it to you in a way because you say to him, do you not want to change the narrative? Because, you know, he's complained and complained and complained about this witch hunt and about everything.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–1:04
2
How did Ken Foy first get an unexpected 35-minute phone call with Daniel Kinahan?
1:04–1:51
3
What did Daniel Kinahan demand from the Irish media during the phone conversation?
1:51–11:11
4
Why did Ken Foy push Kinahan to issue a formal statement and how was it delivered?
11:11–44:31
5
What claims and defences are contained in Kinahan's full legal statement to the press?
44:31–47:17
Speakers
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