How To Sleep Train Your Baby | Jessie Martin, RN, BSN

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What biblical support is there for sleep training?

Alex Clark 0:00
What biblically do you feel like supports sleep training? God is a God of order. Being able to bring that into your home and give your kids structure and guiding them as parents, that's our job.
Unknown 0:13
The co-sleeping moms are adamant. They're like, I'm the one that gets more sleep. The sleep training moms are like, no, I get more sleep. Sleep training. How in the world do we know what's right? And could we just have Michael Vick have these moms fight it out?
Unknown 0:48
Is co-sleeping anti-biblical and pro-evolution? Does half the internet get sleep training totally wrong? That's what today's guest thinks. Jessica Martin holds a BSN in nursing and is a double certified pediatric sleep consultant with a background in pediatric critical care, neonatal and emergency nursing. She is a Christian, married homeschool mother of four who supports families by helping them all get the best sleep possible. This is a juicy episode and highly requested. If you are just tuning in for this episode and you've never been here before, just know that a few weeks ago, I did a pro co-sleep episode that you can go and find as well. Pause, leave a five-star review on Apple or Spotify. And if you listen on Apple Podcasts, this is important, write if you are team co-sleep or team sleep train with a five-star review and let's tally and see where the audience leans.
Unknown 1:38
It takes less than five seconds to leave a review and it really helps us out. On this show, we bring expert guests on to heal us at culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually. Watch the episodes on the Real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. Please welcome pediatric sleep training specialist, Jesse Martin, to Culture Apothecary. True or false, moms who sleep train are anti-breastfeeding, they're anti-attachment, and they're anti-responsive parenting.
Alex Clark 2:07
I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions with sleep training is that if you're pro-sleep training, you have to be anti all these other things, anti-breastfeeding, anti-co-sleeping, all of those things. And that's not at all the case. I mean, all my kids are sleep trained one way or the other and I breastfed all of them. They all room shared actually with us for a pretty long time. Some of them, we had some interesting living situations where they were in our room for extended periods of time. And so it's definitely not, you don't have to be like, just to be pro sleep training doesn't mean that you have to be anti all this other stuff.
Unknown 2:39
Sleep training is kind of described as this like all or nothing approach or you're letting your baby cry until they give up. What do you think about that?
Alex Clark 2:48
Yeah, I mean, that's another big misconception is that families maybe feel like their only options are to either do cried out or do nothing. And so there's like there's all these extremes when it comes to this idea of sleep training. I mean, that's why I'm really excited to talk to you because that's There is so many, there's so much in between that that is not those extremes.
Unknown 3:10
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't our generation, I'm a millennial, I'm assuming you're a millennial, didn't we grow up with parents who sleep trained and we're all kind of mentally unwell?
Jessie Martin 3:20
Yeah, I was sleep trained. My husband was sleep trained. Were you sleep trained? I don't know. I think so. I wasn't sleeping in my mom and dad's bed. That's for sure. I don't think we can always blame that just on sleep training, though.
Alex Clark 3:35
I mean, I think there's a lot of things that we grew up with in our generation, like smartphones and social media and all of these things that are playing into some of the mental health things that, you know, we face as adults now.
Unknown 3:48
I think their argument is it's this broken attachment that was forced on us by sleep training is kind of what their mindset is, if I had to guess. I've heard that.

Is co-sleeping considered anti-biblical?

Unknown 3:57
I don't agree with that, obviously, but I've heard that. When you say evidence-based sleep training, what evidence are you actually talking about and what doesn't qualify as evidence?
Alex Clark 4:06
I think it's really important to look at a couple things.

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