Danny Jones Podcast
#292 - JFK Witness Breaks Silence: Top Secret CIA Files will NEVER be Released | Judyth Vary Baker
Mon, 24 Mar 2025
Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Judyth Vary Baker is a former medical researcher and writer who, while conducting cancer research in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, had a love affair with Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President John F. Kennedy. She is the author of "Me and Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald". SPONSORS https://huel.com/danny - Use code DANNY for 15% off your first order. https://factormeals.com/dannyjones50off - Use code 'dannyjones50off' for 50% off your first box. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Sign up today for your $1 per month trial period. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off GUEST LINKS https://x.com/Judyth https://a.co/d/de9Rs6p FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - JFK witness breaks silence 04:55 - Judyth's early CIA medical work 10:44 - Judyth's father 19:16 - Lee Harvey Oswalds' last words before JFK assassination 24:17 - Alton Ochsner's early medical research 37:28 - Judyth's cancer research on mice 54:06 - Dr. Mary Sherman 01:02:39 - The secret cure for cancer 01:08:31 - Judyth's affair with Lee Harvey Oswald 01:25:38 - Lee Oswald's role in assassination of Castro 01:34:04 - Lee Oswald's passport 01:45:18 - Lee Oswald delivering the virus to Cuba 01:54:13 - The CIA medical team tasked to kill Castro 02:12:31 - Hard evidence Lee Oswald was framed 02:21:18 - David Ferrie plots to kill JFK 02:27:17 - Jack Ruby 02:32:47 - How Oswald tried to SAVE JFK 02:39:00 - The ABORT team 02:48:06 - Attempts on Judyth's life 02:56:54 - The buried 60 minutes doc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What evidence does Judyth have about Lee Harvey Oswald?
Judith, first of all, thanks for coming. I'm looking forward to speaking with you. Pleasure. Please introduce yourself to the audience.
I'm a witness. A witness they've tried to stop. But I can't be stopped because this is also about love. It's also about justice. It's also about the truth. And I'm still here despite everything. And everything is a lot. All right. Because I first started speaking out early in 1999. And that completely destroyed my life.
Why did you, 1999 was the first time you came out?
Yes.
Chapter 2: What was Judyth's early experience with the CIA?
Why did you decide to come out in 1999?
In 1991, the film JFK came out. And, of course, I was deeply associated with Lee Oswald. And I had to walk out my teenage, all my, I had at that time four kids still living in the house. Well, one of them had come in with the film JFK. And he came in. The film JFK came out from Oliver Stone.
Yes.
And when it played, started playing, I had to leave immediately. Of course, everybody noticed, because I was a chaperone for all these kids, you know, all these teenagers. It was Saturday night, and we had popcorn and all that. I went to the church and prayed, and something stirred in my heart. I had waited so long to speak out, but I had kids.
The day after my last child left home, which was December 26, 1998, I finally dared to take out the film JFK and look at it. Of course, it made me ill. If you understood all that I had gone through, you'd understand how I'd hidden it. I thought, sure, I promised Lee I would speak out. He said, I'd only ask you to please let my little girls know that I was a good guy. And I let him down.
I was afraid. Now something stirred in me because it said in Oliver Stone's movie there, it said, silence, you know, is evil too. To be silent is to... And I knew I couldn't be silent anymore. I laid out all the evidence. Not all, I have boxes and boxes. Why did I save evidence? I was in a project secretly funded by the CIA and the mafia and so on to kill Fidel Castro.
And I'll show you the special training and everything I had for that. But the whole idea was we thought we were saving the world. Just like today, if somebody said, hey, we know how to kill Putin, the U.S. won't be involved because it'll look like natural. A biological weapon was being created and I got involved in that.
So let's go back. So first of all.
So I just want to say I laid out the evidence.
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Chapter 3: How did Judyth meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
Chapter 4: What role did Alton Ochsner play in the CIA?
Let's start there and then let's rewind. All right. Because I think people that are watching this interview, they might be confused about who you are. And I think it's important that we lay out.
Oh, all right. Of course. Of course. All right. I was actually being shepherded by... People very high up that were associated with the CIA. And these were eminent doctors. They were very well known. Like today, if you talk about Fauci, say it was Fauci shepherding me. So they were very prestigious, the top of the top.
Mm-hmm.
And I had not admitted it to myself because I was being specially trained, fast-tracked, because I'll tell you why later. But the bottom line is, is I came early to New Orleans because I couldn't go home, which I'm going to explain later. And I was free. They weren't ready for me. They were out of town.
Instead of being met with a steak dinner, I've always mentioned that before in other interviews, and champagne and say, you're here. We love you. We'll show you around. And I go to YMCA where I expected a room to myself. And they said, who are you? My first thoughts, I don't have any money. I'm between semesters. My grant money, I don't have it.
How old are you?
19.
Yeah.
And, wow, my first thought, oh, no, I'm in this room with two strippers, a Playboy Bunny trainee, and this really profane, heavyset waitress who, she was going to steal my stuff. We had to pay her $0.25 a day so she wouldn't steal our stuff. All right, so I'm in that room, but the stripper said, honey, you haven't seen the world, have you? I said, no.
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Chapter 5: What is the secret cure for cancer mentioned?
Chapter 6: What were Lee Oswald's last words before the assassination?
Yes, I do.
Wow.
Well, now I've had four. I have some blanks now. I've had four concussions. I've been hit by cars three times. I've had one time a hood of, I'm sorry, a trunk of a car was slammed down on my head. There have been, you know, everything's documented.
So how did you meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
I always ask that question when I got to tell you how I got to New Orleans and everything. Because if I do that, you're not going to figure out why he was there or anything.
Let's start there and then let's rewind. All right. Because I think people that are watching this interview, they might be confused about who you are. And I think it's important that we lay out.
Oh, all right. Of course. Of course. All right. I was actually being shepherded by... People very high up that were associated with the CIA. And these were eminent doctors. They were very well known. Like today, if you talk about Fauci, say it was Fauci shepherding me. So they were very prestigious, the top of the top.
Mm-hmm.
And I had not admitted it to myself because I was being specially trained, fast-tracked, because I'll tell you why later. But the bottom line is, is I came early to New Orleans because I couldn't go home, which I'm going to explain later. And I was free. They weren't ready for me. They were out of town.
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Chapter 7: How does Judyth connect her cancer research to Oswald?
Absolutely.
When you first got shipped to New Orleans?
That's right. And I have all the proof.
So how old were you when you first started studying these viruses and learning about this type of science? What?
Yeah, here's a picture of... See this? My grandmother died in October of 1956.
Okay.
She died of cancer. My grandfather was dying of cancer. And I was determined with all my heart to love my grandmother so much. In fact, her picture is on my credit card.
Nice.
Yeah. And her memory and the magnificent woman she was, and she was wiped out by cancer and suffered.
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Chapter 8: What attempts were made on Judyth's life?
Yeah.
It just was endemic. So that was my I was determined. And of course, what can a 15 year old do? I found cancerous fish and they were they were special breed mollies, black mollies. Maybe you didn't know this about them, but they don't get inseminated by the male. The male just excites them, and they only produce from their own eggs without any kind of insemination. Now, they've got a male organ.
They have a male organ that penetrates, but there's nothing there.
Oh, there's no sperm?
That's right.
Interesting.
So it's sort of like cheetahs. A lot of people realize the genetic variation of cheetahs is very tiny. They make great lab animals, except they're very expensive. Well, mollies aren't. And so I had determined, I'm sure they had cancer, but I had to find out. And we took the mollies. By that time, I had made friends with...
a lady running the American Cancer Society for the whole area where I was living there, Braden and Sarasota. And we met Dr. Alton Ochsner, who was, he was there for the opening of the Watson Clinic over in Lakeland, I believe it was. And so he saw my mollies and he said, you've got to go to mice. So then I was rounding up mice. And then finally Rockefeller Foundation.
So where did, I'm sorry, where did you meet Alton Ochsner?
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