The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Episodes
Mission vs. Ego: The Dangers of Narcissistic Leadership
02 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Brené and Adam are live at SXSW! They explore so many people are vulnerable to narcissistic leaders. The conversation covers the condition...
How This Podcast Could Fail
26 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Brené and Adam have a bracingly honest conversation about what could go wrong in their collaboration, and how to set new teams, partnerships, and fri...
Brené and Adam on What They Will Never Agree On
19 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to The Curiosity Shop! In the inaugural episode, Brené and Adam discuss how a public disagreement about authenticity almost ended their relat...
Welcome to The Curiosity Shop
15 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commi...
Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 2 of 2
05 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the second part of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené shares an excerpt from the Strong Ground audiobook that walks listeners ...
Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 1 of 2
29 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In part one of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené answers questions from listeners about mindset shifts, leading from where you a...
Brené and Adam Grant on Rewarding Effort With Time
22 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the final episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam discuss the problem with rewarding all effort as excellen...
Brené and Adam Grant on the Skillsets of Empathy
15 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the fifth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam break down the skillsets of empathy, empathy misses, and ...
Brené and Adam Grant on Empathy vs. Enmeshment
08 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the fourth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam explore the attack on empathy, the difference between co...
Brené and Adam Grant on Time Scarcity, Asking Questions, and Pocket Presence
01 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the third part of a special series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam tackle the topics of time scarcity, how a great leader doesn’t have all the r...
Brené and Adam Grant on the Paradox Tug of War and Leadership Theater
24 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In part two of a special series with Adam Grant on Brené’s new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam discuss the far and near enemies of generosity,...
Brené on Lock-In and Lock-Through Power
23 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this special Dare to Lead episode, Brené shares one of her favorite chapters from the Strong Ground audiobook called Lock-In and Lock-Through Powe...
Brené and Adam Grant on Finding Our Strong Ground
17 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the first episode of a special series on Brené's new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam dig into the origins of Strong Ground, and what values c...
Brené and Barrett reflect on the "Living Beyond Human Scale" Podcast Series
15 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode Brené and Barrett discuss their learnings on AI and social media and some of their favorite nuggets from each of the guests in the se...
Dr. Joy Buolamwini on Unmasking AI: My Mission to Protect What Is Human in a World of Machines
08 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Brené and Dr. Joy discuss fighting bias in algorithms, Gender Shades - the accuracy of AI powered gender classification products, an...
Lisa Gevelber on Technology and AI for Good
01 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Brené and Lisa discuss how we can work to close the digital divide and ensure more people have access to technology, what it means i...
Futurist Amy Webb on What's Coming (and What's Here)
24 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Quantitative futurist Amy Webb talks to us about the three technologies that make up the "super cycle" that we're all living through right now: artif...
Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The Digital Mindset, Part 2 of 2
27 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In Part 2 of my conversation with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley, authors of The Digital Mindset: What It Really Takes to Thrive in the Age of Data, ...
Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The Digital Mindset, Part 1 of 2
19 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This two-part podcast with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley is an absolute game changer. Given how often I find myself working with leaders who are kne...
Brené with Mike Erwin on Leadership Is a Relationship, Part 2 of 2
12 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We’re back with Part 2 of my conversation with Mike Erwin, the founder and CEO of the Character and Leadership Center and the co-author of Leadershi...
Brené with Mike Erwin on Leadership Is a Relationship, Part 1 of 2
05 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This is the first of two episodes with Mike Erwin, the founder and CEO of the Character and Leadership Center and the co-author of Leadership Is a Rel...
Brené with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change, Part 2 of 2
28 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I won’t lie: This conversation was hard as hell. But — I’m so grateful to Lisa Lahey and all the work she and Robert Kegan have done on the “i...
Brené with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change, Part 1 of 2
21 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I don’t like to think of myself as someone who’s averse to change. But, man, am I averse to change. Enter the amazing Lisa Lahey. She is a Harvard...
Brené and Barrett on Building Brave Spaces
17 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Barrett and I invite you into some research thinking and dig into the latest data on how to build brave spaces with our teams — what gets in the way...
Brené with Janice Omadeke on The Mentor Method and Why Values Matter
07 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Janice Omadeke is the creator of The Mentor Method, an enterprise software that transforms company culture through mentorship. We talk about her entre...
Brené with Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan on the Heart of Leadership, Part 2 of 2
31 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We are back with Part 2 with two of my friends, mentors, teachers, and co-creators, Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan. Join us as we talk about the sta...
Brené with Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan on the Heart of Leadership, Part 1 of 2
24 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We have two Dare to Lead favorites back with us today who are really important people to me in terms of my own personal and professional growth: Aiko ...
Brené with Beto O’Rourke on Brave Leadership
17 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I think y’all know that I’m a fifth-generation Texan, and I have another Texan with me today: Beto O’Rourke. He is running for governor of Texas...
Brené with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek on What's Happening at Work, Part 2 of 2
10 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We’re back for Part 2 of my two-episode conversation with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek. If you haven’t listened to Part 1, I suggest doing that firs...
Brené with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek on What's Happening at Work, Part 1 of 2
03 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
What’s happening in the workplace right now? In this first of two episodes with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek, we talk about what we are seeing in orga...
Brené with Erika James and Lynn Perry Wooten on The Prepared Leader, Part 2 of 2
26 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We’re back with the second part of a two-part series with Erika James, PhD, and Lynn Perry Wooten, PhD, about their new book, The Prepared Leader: E...
Brené with Erika James and Lynn Perry Wooten on The Prepared Leader, Part 1 of 2
22 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It’s the first of a two-part series with Erika James, PhD, and Lynn Perry Wooten, PhD, about their new book, The Prepared Leader: Emerge from Any Cr...
Brené and Barrett on Gathering Together for the First Time
09 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Three weeks ago, our whole company gathered together in our offices for the first time since early March 2020. In this episode, Barrett and I reflect ...
Brené with Kam Franklin on Joy, Conflict, and Leading Creative Teams
02 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Kam Franklin, singer-songwriter, music producer, activist, writer, and lead singer of the Gulf Coast soul band The Suffers. You kno...
Brené with Ruchika Tulshyan on Inclusion on Purpose
25 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
If you come across Ruchika Tulshyan’s new book and find yourself dismissively thinking, “Another DEI book?” you do so at your own peril — and ...
Brené with Dr. Linda Hill on Leading With Purpose in the Digital Age
18 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I am talking to Dr. Linda Hill, a researcher, professor of business administration, and chair of the Leadership Initiative at Harvard Business School....
Brené with Scott Sonenshein on Why We’ll Never Be the Same Again (and Why It’s Time to Talk About It)
11 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Scott Sonenshein, a researcher, organizational psychologist, and New York Times bestselling author, about the pandemic, the racial ...
Brené and Barrett on Why Every Leader Needs to Worry About Toxic Culture
04 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Barrett and I have not been able to stop thinking — and talking — about an episode we did a few weeks ago with Donald Sull and Charlie Sull of Cul...
Brené with James Rhee on Kindness, Math, and the Power of Goodwill
28 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This is a conversation about how a simple act of generosity can put someone on a new, groundbreaking course. I’m talking with James Rhee — acclaim...
Brené with Dr. Amishi Jha on Finding Focus and Owning Your Attention
21 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I want you to pay attention and direct your flashlight right on this podcast — you’ll understand what that means after you listen to this episode....
Brené with Dr. Donald Sull and Charlie Sull on How Toxic Work Cultures Are Driving the Great Resignation
07 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Dr. Donald Sull and Charlie Sull about an article I came across in the MIT Sloan Management Review titled “Toxic Culture Is Drivi...
Brené with Megan Reitz and John Higgins on Leading in an Age of Employee Activism
28 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking to Megan Reitz, a professor of leadership and dialogue, and John Higgins, a researcher and author, about an article they published in th...
Brené with Debbie Millman on Why Design Matters
21 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Debbie Millman — designer, author, educator, curator, brand strategist, and host of the long-running, multi-award-winning podcast...
Brené with Dan Pink on The Power of Regret
14 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Dan Pink is one of my favorite researchers and writers. In this episode, we dig into one of my least favorite feelings (but one of my best teachers): ...
Brené and Barrett on the Great Awkward
24 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We’re back! It’s 2022, and we’re all talking about “returning to the office” at some point. There are a lot of unknowns, and it’s going to...
Brené with America Ferrera on Identity and Integrated Leadership, Part 2 of 2
13 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
My conversation with America Ferrera was so good that I didn’t want it to end, so here we are with the second episode with the renowned actor, direc...
Brené with America Ferrera on Identity and Integrated Leadership, Part 1 of 2
06 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with America Ferrera — actor, director, producer, activist, and leader — in the first of a two-part series about leading with your w...
Brené with Dr. Laurie Santos on Creating Meaningful Connection at Work
29 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Dr. Laurie Santos is a professor of psychology and the head of Silliman Residential College at Yale University and the host of the popular podcast The...
Brené with James Clear on Atomic Habits, Part 2 of 2
22 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It’s Part 2 of our two-part episode with James Clear, author of Atomic Habits, which has sold more than 5 million copies worldwide and been translat...
Brené with James Clear on Atomic Habits, Part 1 of 2
15 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Even before James Clear and I met, I knew this would be a two-part series. I just had so many questions for the author of Atomic Habits, which has sol...
Brené with Dr. Maya Shankar on Courage in the Midst of Change
08 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I am talking with Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist who served as chair of the Social and Behavioral Science Team during the Obama administratio...
Brené and Barrett on BRAVING Trust, Part 2 of 2
01 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Barrett is back to talk more about trust and how we approach it at our company. We call it BRAVING trust — BRAVING is the acronym we use for the sev...
Brené and Barrett on BRAVING Trust, Part 1 of 2
25 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Barrett Guillen, chief of staff at Brené Brown Education and Research Group, is joining me to talk about trust, what trust means, an...
Brené with Liz Wiseman on Impact Players
18 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Liz Wiseman is an author, a researcher, and an executive adviser, and we are talking about her new book, Impact Players: How to Take the Lead, Play Bi...
Brené with Jodi-Ann Burey and Ruchika Tulshyan on Imposter Syndrome
11 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Jodi-Ann Burey and Ruchika Tulshyan about imposter syndrome and the articles they have written together on the topic, including “...
Brené with Charles Feltman on Trust: Building, Maintaining, and Restoring It
04 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Charles Feltman is the author of The Thin Book of Trust: An Essential Primer for Building Trust at Work, which is based on his nearly three decades of...
Brené with Barrett Guillen on The Hardest Feedback I’ve Ever Received, Part 2 of 2
27 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is the second of a two-part series on feedback, and Barrett is back to take it to the next level and dig into engaged feedback with me. A...
Brené with Barrett Guillen on The Hardest Feedback I’ve Ever Received, Part 1 of 2
20 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is the first of a two-part series on feedback, and I’m talking with my sister Barrett Guillen, chief of staff for Brené Brown Educatio...
Brené with Amy Cuddy on Pandemic Flux Syndrome
13 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking to Dr. Amy Cuddy, social psychologist, bestselling author, award-winning Harvard lecturer, and expert on the behavioral science of power...
Brené with Charles Duhigg on Habits and Productivity
12 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As I’m writing a book and thinking about habits that are getting in my way of being more productive, I call upon Charles Duhigg, who is a New York T...
Brené with Priya Parker: A Meeting Makeover
24 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is the second of a two-part series with Priya Parker, master facilitator, strategic adviser, and the author of The Art of Gathering: How ...
Brené with Priya Parker on How We Return and Why It Matters, Part 1 of 2
17 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Join me for Part 1 of a two-part series with Priya Parker on gathering together again. Priya is a master facilitator, a strategic adviser, and the aut...
Brené with Patrice Gordon on Reverse Mentorship
10 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Patrice Gordon about reverse mentorship, a practice that sets up a junior team member, often a member of an underrepresented group,...
Brené with Doug Conant on Finding & Telling Your Leadership Story
03 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Doug Conant is the only former Fortune 500 CEO who is a New York Times bestselling author, a Top 50 Leadership Innovator, a Top 100 Leadership Speaker...
Brené with Michael Bungay Stanier on The Advice Trap and Staying Curious Just a Little Longer
26 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Michael Bungay Stanier is the author of six books, including The Coaching Habit and The Advice Trap. We talk about taming our Advice Monsters — you ...
Brené with Dr. Angela Duckworth on Grit and the Importance of Trying New Things
19 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking to Dr. Angela Duckworth, professor, founder and CEO of Character Lab, and author of Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance. We dig ...
Brené on Armored versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2
12 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This is Part 2 of our two-part series on daring leadership, where I unpack four more common types of armor that we use to self-protect when we’re in...
Brené on Armored versus Daring Leadership, Part 1 of 2
05 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The greatest barrier to daring leadership is not fear; the greatest barrier is armor, or how we self-protect when we’re in fear. This is Part 1 of a...
Brené with Dr. Pippa Grange on Fearing Less
29 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This episode feels like a conversation with an old friend who happens to be an expert on fear, anxiety, and perfectionism. Pippa is a highly sought-af...
Brené with Emily and Amelia Nagoski on Burnout and How to Complete the Stress Cycle
22 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Dare to Lead is Unlocking Us this week. Burnout. We’re all experiencing it and we’re all desperate for a way through it. In this episode, I talk t...
Brené with Emmanuel Acho on Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man
15 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dare to Lead is Unlocking Us! Emmanuel Acho is a creator, host, and producer of Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, a web series ...
Brené with Dr. Susan David on The Dangers of Toxic Positivity, Part 2 of 2
08 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This is Part 2 of my conversation with Dr. Susan David, author of the bestselling book Emotional Agility: Get Unstuck, Embrace Change, and Thrive in W...
Brené with Dr. Susan David on the Dangers of Toxic Positivity, Part 1 of 2
01 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking to Dr. Susan David, author of the bestselling book Emotional Agility: Get Unstuck, Embrace Change, and Thrive in Work and Life. This is ...
Brené with Veronica and Miguel Garza on Food, Family, and Scaling a Business
22 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
You can’t spell podcast without tacos. I’m talking to Veronica and Miguel Garza, the co-founders of Siete Family Foods, a family-owned Mexican Ame...
Brené with Adam Grant on the Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know
15 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It’s a total geek-out, nerd-fest conversation with my friend Adam Grant about his new book, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know....
Brené with Aiko Bethea on Creating Transformative Cultures
08 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This is Part 2 of my conversation with Aiko Bethea, friend, colleague, and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. We take the foundations from our f...
Brené with Chad Sanders on What Black Leaders Learned from Trauma and Triumph
01 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This is a heartfelt and honest conversation with writer, creator, and former tech entrepreneur Chad Sanders on Black Magic: What Black Leaders Learned...
Brené with Dr. Sarah Lewis on Creativity, Surrender, and Aesthetic Force
25 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Join me for Part 2 of a conversation with one of my favorite thinkers and writers, Dr. Sarah Lewis. We’re talking about her book, The Rise: Creativi...
Brené with Simon Sinek on Developing an Infinite Mindset
18 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Simon Sinek, visionary thinker, speaker, and author of multiple bestselling books, about his latest book, The Infinite Game. We tal...
Brené with Kevin Oakes on Cultural Renovation
11 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Kevin Oakes is the head of the world’s leading HR research firm, the Institute for Corporate Productivity, and we are talking about his new book, Cu...
Brené with Jim Collins on Curiosity, Generosity, and the Hedgehog
14 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is a two-hour, deep-dive conversation with Jim Collins on his work and how it shaped who I am as a person, as a leader, and as a research...
Brené with President Barack Obama on Leadership, Family and Service
07 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
I talk with President Barack Obama about his life, his work, and his new book, A Promised Land. We dive into the power of leaning into uncertainty and...
Brené with Dr. Sarah Lewis on The Rise, the Creative Process and the Difference Between Mastery and Success
30 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Join me for a conversation with Dr. Sarah Lewis in Part 1 of a two-part series on her book, The Rise: Creativity, the Gift of Failure, and the Search ...
Brené with Eric Mosley on Making Work Human
23 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Eric Mosley is the CEO and co-founder of Workhuman, and we talk about his new book, Making Work Human: How Human-Centered Companies Are Changing the F...
Brené with Guy Raz on How I Built This
16 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
I talk with Guy Raz, the creator and host of the popular podcasts How I Built This, Wisdom From the Top, and The Rewind. Guy and I dig into the import...
Brené with Aiko Bethea on Inclusivity at Work: The Heart of Hard Conversations
09 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Aiko Bethea is a friend, colleague, and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. We discuss empathy, accountability, and the power of listening and be...
Brené with Jon Meacham on the Soul of America
02 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
I’m talking with Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Jon Meacham about what history can teach us about leading through crises and deep political divi...
Brené with Abby Wambach on the New Rules of Leadership
26 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Olympian, activist, and author Abby Wambach and I connect on the new rules of leadership. Her book, WOLFPACK, I kid you not, is on my top five must-re...
The Heart of Daring Leadership
19 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this first solo episode of the Dare to Lead podcast, I talk about my passion for this work, what we’re learning about courageous leadership and s...
Dare to Lead Podcast with Brené Brown Trailer
22 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Brené’s newest podcast is based on her book, Dare to Lead, which debuted at #1 on the New York Times, and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists, an...