Dateline: True Crime Weekly
A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
Robert Baker, the former lover of Monica Sementilli and admitted killer of her husband, takes the stand in her defense. An alleged vegan cult known as the Zizians will see their leader face trial in Maryland next week. And updates on Karen Read, the University of Pittsburgh student missing in the Dominican Republic, and Lori Vallow Daybell. Plus, everything you need to know about a new scam called pig butchering. Find out more about the cases covered each week here: www.datelinetruecrimeweekly.com. Listen to the full Mommy Doomsday podcast series on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mommy-doomsday/id1540849480 Listen to the full episode of “Lori Vallow Daybell: The Jailhouse Interview” on Apple: https://apple.co/3FjWD4d Listen to the Talking Dateline episode where Keith discusses the interview on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/talking-dateline-lori-vallow-daybell-the-jailhouse/id1464919521?i=1000698801101
Chapter 1: Who is Robert Baker and why is he a key witness?
He starred in X-rated movies and also managed the careers of other performers. It's a really diverse resume.
That's quite the background. And so then they also – this is – key here, he started working at LA Fitness, which is, of course, where he met Monica.
Correct. Yes. And that's when the defense really launches into the heart of this case, which is his time at LA Fitness. He says that he started there in 2015, and then he met Monica.
I was running a racquetball league.
Now, is this something you had done before?
No, never.
How'd you get into league racquetball league?
I'm a smart guy.
Okay. Well, did it. I will comment on that.
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Chapter 3: What new information has emerged about the Karen Read case?
One of the most riveting parts of Baker's testimony is describing the killing on the stand.
Yes. You know, it's rare. Again, this has happened now twice in this trial. We, you know, it's rare to hear an admitted killer talk about how a murder has gone down. And this time, we've heard it through Christopher Austin, the other man that was with Robert Baker at the time of the murder. And now we heard it through Robert Baker.
And I'm struggling with him, and I'm trying to get away from him. He's a pretty big guy.
Then what?
And I said to myself, I need to get him off me. I need to cut him. Got him? I took one stab to get him to let go of me. He let go, and I just kind of blacked out and just tried to get him off me and just kept cutting until he got off me.
The defense wanted to get it out there, almost a preemptive strike that Robert Baker has lied about the case in the past.
Yeah. When someone who has done something like this is now telling the jury what they've done, how do you believe him? And what Robert Baker was telling the jury is, look, I have nothing to lose here.
Now, you are a convicted murderer, correct?
Yes.
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Chapter 4: What is pig butchering and how does it affect victims?
Up next, according to law enforcement, a group of radical vegans is connected to violent deaths in multiple states. Next week, three of them will go on trial in Maryland. About a month ago, a man in Western Maryland called the police and said three people dressed in black were camping out on his property in box trucks.
When officers arrived, they discovered that the alleged trespassers were wanted for questioning in three other states. They'd stumbled across the Zizians. And not just that, they'd found the Zizians' elusive leader.
Jack Lasoda, who identifies as a woman, Michelle Zico, and Daniel Blank, they face trespassing and handgun charges here in Maryland. All three were arrested Sunday in Frostburg. People who've interacted with them say they act like a cult. Consisting of mostly transgender tech workers who subscribe to what's called radical veganism.
And law enforcement says the Zizians are linked to six violent deaths around the country. Four Zizians are awaiting trial in California and Vermont. But until that day in Maryland, their leader had not been found. Next week, Jack Lasoda, or Ziz as she calls herself, will stand trial on trespassing and gun charges.
My next guest, NBC News investigative reporter Rich Shapiro, says that may be just the start of her legal troubles. Hi, Rich. Thanks for coming on the podcast.
My pleasure.
Okay, so just remind us about the deaths the Zizians are suspected of being wrapped up in. When you and I first spoke, Rich, two of the group's members had allegedly been involved in a shootout with border police in Vermont. That led to the deaths of one of the officers and one of the Zizians.
Three other Zizians were awaiting trial in California for an assault involving a samurai sword and a murder. Was the incident in Maryland also violent?
It wasn't violent, but this wasn't your typical police encounter. First off, according to the probable cause statement, these people were all dressed in black and they were well-armed. In one of the trucks, police found a rifle and a handgun. Two of the Zizians were wearing ammo belts, and one of them had another gun in her waistband.
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