Bek Lover Vs. Michael Jones: Was It All a Lie? Hidden Truth About Faith and History | DSH #1573
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Can Muslims and Christians Collaborate?
It's a mass destruction, right? One million people died. I hated Saddam Hussein. He oppressed the Kurds. He gassed them with nerve gas. He was horrific.
Who put these people in power? Totally agree. Because you said you want Christians and Muslims to work together. The problem is, is when we go into the data, it is not the Christian's fault. 99% of the time, overwhelmingly, this is coming from Islam. And they get death threats all the time from Muslims. How can we work together when people in your camp say they want to join my camp, and then people in your camp say they should be killed?
Okay, guys, we got a friendly little debate here today, conversation debate. We got Beck Lover, returning guest, and a new guest to the show, Michael Jones. Thank you, both of you, for coming, especially you, Michael. It's your anniversary, so appreciate the time, man.
Yeah, thanks for having me. Happy anniversary, brother, and thanks for coming.
Yeah, and I think the core of this will be just talking about how Christians and Muslims can work together, right? That's where we should start this thing.
What are the misconceptions surrounding the term 'infidel'?
First and foremost, I want to start a debate. I even want to use the word debate. It's discussion. To clarify, I think a lot of things that are perpetrated in the media, okay, that want to convince the world that Christians and Muslims are enemies and they should kill each other. And I believe there's an agenda to create a lot of hatred between the two faiths. And the word infidel is thrown around all the time in the media, is thrown around all the time in the news. And I want to, on behalf of the Muslim world, clarify that nowhere in the Quran does it say that Christians are infidels. It's actually the opposite. It gives them a protected class known as the people of the book. Anyone that received revelation before the prophet Muhammad, whether it was through Moses, Psalms of David, the spoken gospel of Jesus Christ, because he did not leave a written book during his lifetime,
and he did not leave it compiled during his time, but his word, which is the gospel, the Injil as Muslims call it, that it is the opposite of what is propagated throughout a lot of history and in recent history. So in the context of the Holy Quran, infidels are specifically being mentioned as the pagan Arabs that were attacking the Prophet Muhammad. And in the essence of the book, which says to speak softly to the Christian, for they are the closest to you in faith, speak kindly to them, for they are the closest to you in faith.
How does the Ottoman Empire's legacy impact today's discussions?
And amongst them you will find men of knowledge. So in that essence, I don't want this to be as I've seen, you guys have been mentioning some of these debates and the way people go back and forth. I want to speak... kindly to one another. I know we're not going to agree on everything, specifically topics of divinity, which book might be more authentic, and things of that nature, but my faith does not command me to hate Christians. My religion does not command me to be aggressive towards Christians. My prophet, the final prophet we believe, the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not command us to have animosity towards Christians. Actually, on the contrary, he commanded his first followers to seek refuge as they were being oppressed by the infidels during his time, which were the pagan Arabs, which were his tribesmen, which was his own family.
And they were persecuted for a decade. And at that time, when it became very hostile in Mecca, he commanded his followers to go to the ancient kingdom of Abyssinia and they were saved by a Christian kingdom. How can we, how can our founder of our faith send us to seek refuge to Christians? And then the world wants to classify them as infidels on our behalf. That is 100% historically inaccurate. And it's not true. We are not enemies. And my philosophy is we both believe Jesus Christ is the anointed one. That's what the word Messiah means. Doesn't mean divine. He's the Messiah chosen by God for a specific mission. And we both believe, depending on what the nomination, because there's many denominations, but throughout all of Islam and the majority of Christianity, they believe that there will be an antichrist.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Can Muslims and Christians Collaborate?
0:00–0:58
2
What are the misconceptions surrounding the term 'infidel'?
0:58–2:30
3
How does the Ottoman Empire's legacy impact today's discussions?
2:30–9:50
4
What is the role of historical narratives in interfaith dialogue?
9:50–53:37
5
What is the Islamic dilemma and how does it relate to the Bible's integrity?
53:37–54:07
6
What contradictions arise between the Quran and the Bible?
54:07–54:38
7
How do the guests address the concept of corruption in religious texts?
54:38–55:04
8
What is the significance of Jesus's first miracle in Christianity versus Islam?
55:04–1:44:10
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