Roaring trades: oil majors’ secret success story
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Hello and welcome to The Intelligence from The Economist. I'm Jason Palmer. Today on the show, America's capricious grip on frontier AI models and the changing business of concert tours.
First up, though.
The world's largest energy firms, collectively known as the majors, they've done really well through this oil shock. And one reason is that they've drilled oil and they've refined it. And they sold it at a higher price, which is not surprising to most people. But another reason is far less known, which is that they've done a lot of trading. Mathieu Favas is our commodities editor. And the Iran war has really shown the extent to which this activity trading has become central to these businesses. Let's start with what you mean when you say trading. So trading can be defined in opposition to marketing. So marketing is selling what you produce, distributing it to the global markets. Trading is buying someone else's produce and selling it to whoever wants it most at the highest price possible, at the profit.
And when you sell your own products, what matters is the level of the price at which you sell. When you trade, what matters is the spread. It's the difference between the price at which you buy and the difference in price at which you sell. And the spread is typically higher when the market is quite chaotic. So if there is a war somewhere, there's a supply shock. then in certain places there will be shortages. There will be also a rush for getting the product now instead of later. And so you'll have all these differences in price that traders can seek to benefit from. And so over time, the majors have learned to do that really well, especially the Europeans. So which companies are we talking about then?
Companies like BP and Shell, which are mostly British. Total Energy, also known as Toto, which is French. Ah, Total, no? Like Total.
Yeah.
And they trade, by our estimate, 40 to 50 million barrels per day of oil and gas. Relative to? It's five to ten times more than what they produce. So it's huge. It just shows how central trading is to these businesses. At this moment or in general? In general. Yeah, in general. And probably during this very volatile period, it's been more because they've shifted more barrels. It's a very, very lucrative activity. The majors don't publish data for their trading desks on profitability or anything else, really. It's very secretive. But the estimates we've got from a number of sources suggest that these trio, BP Shell and Total, this year could earn in between 15 to 20 billion dollars in profit, which might be one fifth of their profits.
And this might add up to a third to their return on capital. So Something that shareholders will like a lot. Trading profits alone explain why the Europeans have outperformed the American majors so far this year, since the crisis in particular, since February. Why should that be?
Why aren't the American majors just as good at this secretive game?
It's largely a product of history and geology. So the American majors, they've always had access to vast resources in the ground. They have a lot of oil and gas. They also have a vast domestic market that they can sell to. So they can take advantage of both. The Europeans, they don't have that, neither of these things. So what they've had to do pretty much since the formation is to go abroad and produce the barrels there and then distribute it to the global market. which worked fine until the 1970s, when there was a wave of nationalizations in the Gulf, in the Middle East, and they lost access to this oil. So they had to go abroad and buy barrels from somewhere else.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–5:42
2
How do oil majors use trading to boost profits during an oil shock?
5:42–7:39
3
What is the difference between marketing and trading in the oil industry?
7:39–13:18
4
Which companies dominate oil trading and how much do they move?
13:18–19:13
5
Why have European majors outperformed American peers in trading profits?
19:13–24:45