The Elon game: Musk’s vision of the future
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The Economist.
Hello and welcome to The Intelligence from The Economist. I'm Rosie Bloor. Today on the show are children capable of being criminals and remembering Mona Khalil, the Lebanese saviour of turtles. First up, though.
It's great.
You've just... There's a lot going on.
There's a lot going on here.
It's fabulous.
Well, thank you. On Monday, I went to meet one of the most extraordinary men in the world, Elon Musk.
Hello.
Oh, do you want us both to look here? Okay, we'll look at you.
Hello.
He's not just the world's richest person, but he's also one of the most polarizing. We met at his enormous Tesla Gigafactory just outside Austin in Texas.
— I'm just playing the fool. — Put it wherever you want.
We've got a little bit of economist brandy.
— I'm very good at playing the fool, actually. — Not at all. — I don't want to brag or anything.
— He and I had met before several times, including once a few months ago at an event in California, where I asked him if he would sit down and join me on The Insider. Zannie Minton-Beddoes is our editor-in-chief. I wanted to get a sense of what this man, who is perhaps more than anybody else building our future, whether it's rockets, whether it's his AI models, how does he see that future? But he's also such a polarizing person in the present, and that's what makes him both fascinating and terrifying and incredibly annoying, actually.
Sani, we've got a lot of ground to cover. This was Musk's first extended interview since the SpaceX IPO. It also comes at a critical moment in the debate over the future of AI. But first of all, tell me, what's he actually like?
So he's a larger than life presence. He's a huge guy, right? He's about six foot three. He is an imposing presence. I think he says exactly what he thinks. He's sometimes funny. He's sometimes very aggressive. I'm fascinated by watching how a mind like that works. And so particularly when he was talking about the future, It really is both kind of exhilarating and terrifying listening to him because I think he's sort of unfiltered what he's thinking comes out. When he's talking about politics in the present, that unfiltered thinking to me is... caricatured, polarizing, bigoted at times. Elon, you have, what is it, close to 250 million followers on X. You say things like, quote, civil war in Britain is inevitable.
Just a question of when.
And so that's where we had sort of extended and heated exchanges, particularly on Europe, where he has this kind of view of Europe as a sort of hellhole overrun with Muslim migrants who are ruining European civilization.
What did Zanny Minton Beddoes learn in her extended interview with Elon Musk?
And it's just frankly not true.
I hope I am having a big impact.
Why? Why should you? Why should you be able to shape European politics? You don't even live there.
I think of it as sort of the West collectively.
I found myself getting exercised about that because I really do think he is doing a huge amount to shape perceptions of Europe and they are just wrong.
Let's talk first about what's happening now. The SpaceX IPO was in June. It was the biggest in history. What's he doing now?
Well, the SpaceX IPO was raising a large amount of capital to essentially build out his ambitions. And those ambitions are expanding the realm of consciousness into an interplanetary level. But actually, in practical terms, I think his focus is as much on building out AI and building it through orbital data centers, AI capacity. And I think there is a vision across his companies, which is why there's endless speculation about whether SpaceX and Tesla at some point will be merged, because it is humanoid robots, which is what Tesla is now also focusing on, which will be the physical instantiation of the AI intelligence and orbital data centers, which is where you will get a huge amount of compute capacity in future.
So Musk is very much focused on AI. Where does he see it ending up?
So it's hard to get your head around the scale of change that he foresees.
In fact, I think AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years.
In five years?
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:03–3:16
2
What did Zanny Minton Beddoes learn in her extended interview with Elon Musk?
3:16–18:09
3
How is Musk planning to use the SpaceX IPO proceeds for interplanetary and AI ambitions?
18:09–25:38
4
When does Elon Musk predict AI will surpass human intelligence and what does he expect in 10 years?
25:38–27:34