Episode 34: Kieran Setiya discusses moral disagreement
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What is moral realism and why does it matter for everyday moral disagreement?
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With us today is Kiran Satya, associate professor of philosophy at the University of Pittsburgh, and he's here to talk with us about moral disagreement. Kiran Satya, welcome. Thanks. Thanks for having me. So moral realism is a view in philosophy about whether moral claims are objectively true or false. What's your stance on that question? Are claims like killing people is wrong objectively true or false, or is it all kind of subjective?
For the sake of the discussion today, I'm going to be assuming that moral claims can be true and false, that some of them are true, that they're objects of belief. I believe that courage is a virtue, that people shouldn't be selfish, and that we aspire to knowledge in those beliefs. So I not only believe that we shouldn't be completely selfish, I think I know that we shouldn't be selfish. And in particular, I'm going to be assuming that moral disagreement is possible, not only between individuals, but across cultures. So there's a kind of cultural relativist or social relativist view that would say when different cultures or different societies disagree. say justice is a virtue or justice isn't a virtue.
They're really talking about different things. They're talking past each other. And I'm going to assume that that's not true. I think that's not true, that there really is moral disagreement there. And the question I'm interested in is what the implications are of the possibility, the actuality of moral disagreements of that kind.
So you mentioned moral disagreement, and it's precisely the seeming existence of moral disagreement that has led some people to call the possibility of moral realism into question. People see disagreements across cultures, across time, within our own cultures, of course. And they think if there was such a thing as real objective moral facts, people would converge on it in the same way they seem to do perhaps in science. But the persistence of moral disagreement leads some to think that it itself suggests the non-existence of moral facts. Is this a problem? And what's the right way to respond to this?
I think there are several problems there, actually, and they need to be dealt with in different ways. So one kind of problem suggested by those remarks is that if there really are moral facts, you would expect people to agree about them. And then since there's so much disagreement, there's an inference that maybe there aren't such facts. I'm actually pretty skeptical about that line of attack on moral realism because it's very unclear to me why you would assume that the existence of moral facts would generate a prediction of convergence. There are particular views that some philosophers have had about moral facts in which their existence is bound up with rational agreement, rational convergence. they may be problematic in light of disagreement.
But in general, I don't see a direct inference from the truth of moral claims or being able to know them to predictions of convergence. The problem I do worry about more is a problem about the justification of moral beliefs in the face of disagreement. So moral skepticism might mean not denial of the existence of moral facts, but doubt about whether we're in a position to know them, skepticism about what moral claims are true, which moral claims are false.
How does Kieran Setiya distinguish between factual disputes and moral disagreements?
And there's an argument that in the face of widespread persistent disagreement, Given how we, in general, rationally should respond to disagreement with people, we ought to be very doubtful that we have the moral truth, that we've got the correct beliefs. And that is a problem that I've been worrying about and trying to respond to, partly in light of recent work by theorists of knowledge in general, about disagreement and the right way to respond to it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is moral realism and why does it matter for everyday moral disagreement?
0:00–4:00
2
How does Kieran Setiya distinguish between factual disputes and moral disagreements?
4:00–9:19
3
Why does the persistence of moral disagreement challenge the idea of objective moral facts?
9:19–13:30
4
What is the ‘equal‑weight’ view and how does it apply to moral versus perceptual disagreements?
13:30–17:41
5
How does the horse‑race example illustrate when we should lower confidence in our beliefs?
17:41–22:03
6
Why do intuition‑based accounts of moral evidence create a skeptical problem?
22:03–26:09
7
What are the implications of this debate for teaching introductory ethics?
26:09–30:36
8
How can we rationally ‘stick to our guns’ in the face of deep moral disagreement?
30:36–35:40
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