Should Solanke's First Goal Stand?
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What controversial goal decision is discussed in this episode?
Welcome in to the latest edition of ESPN FC. I'm Dan Thomas, joined by Craig Burley and Shaka Hislop. We also welcome to the programme today, Mark Ogden is here. And for the very first time, former referee Andy Davies joins us. Just to warn you, Andy, referees haven't had a great time on this show in the past. So we'll just set the standard.
Should we look at social worker for referees? Because we, you know, the amount of abuse over the years, Clattenburg and Peter Walton have had. Yeah, and Howard Webber.
I was just looking at it.
I was just... I was just looking at those goals and I was trying to find reasons to allow some of them.
Yeah, of course, that's top 10 goals. That's coming later on in the show. Right then, Andy, let's get straight to it then, shall we, mate? What on earth were your boys thinking giving this goal for Spurs?
Well, listen, it's an interesting one, isn't it? It's caused incredible debate and split opinion over the last 24 hours. I've spoken to many an ex-player and ex-manager who are split down the middle in terms of whether they feel it should be a goal or not. The question really is in terms of whether it's enough of an error or clear and obvious error for the VAR to get involved and overrule it or recommend a non-field review. And I think there's enough doubt, in my view, overall, I'm quite comfortable that a non-intervention is the correct outcome. And we can discuss the merits of that and the detail of that, if you like, in a second.
Now, we should say Andy was a former player as well. So... I'm a little surprised, bearing in mind he was a... Unless he's completely just turned to the other side, obviously, with the referee. Because I didn't think that was... When I saw it, I didn't really see it at full speed. And I don't criticise any referee for missing something that the speed of the game is played these days. But when you roll in all the technology and all the... With the VAR, I think it was Jared Gillett back at Stockley... I just don't see how this cannot be a free kick. I don't think the clear and obvious comes into it. It's really a phrase that annoys me anyway, because it's either a free kick or it's not. And there's no other place in the park, on the pitch, this is not given.
Because once you kick through the back of an opponent, as Gueye planted his leg down, it's a free kick.
A couple of good points. Sorry, Greg. I mean, if you look at it in real time, as I did initially, it just looks like a goal, right? It looks like there's nothing, there's no foul contact and you'd expect a goal to be given as every player on the pitch expected there was no appeal for a foul for many of the Man City players. And so that's the starting point from the VAR. The VAR looks at it from a real-time perspective and he's not looking, it doesn't feel like a foul, it doesn't look like a foul, but therefore he's not going overly to try and overly look for a foul in the review process. And I think the interesting thing, the interesting part of it is when you break down, when you start slowing it down and framing it and framing it, you then start finding potential reasons to give a foul.
But equally...
How does VAR influence the decision-making process in football?
If you look at it again, you can also find reasons not to give a foul because if you look at Gay's actions, he's actually the one who instigates the contact. The ball's there in front of Solanke. Gay comes in from the side. He steps into Solanke. He initiates the contact. Okay, so that's... That's the first part the V.I. would have looked at. So he steps, he doesn't make any turns for the ball, Gailly. Gailly just steps in to block Solanke. Solanke at that point is then winding up to take a shot. And as he takes his shot, that foot that Gailly's pushed in, steps into Solanke's path. There, he makes no contact on the ball, Gay, until he steps on the heel of Solanke, if anything else.
Andy, how can you say he hasn't gone for the ball? Gay's clearly gone for the ball there.
But he hasn't made contact with the ball. He's stepped into Solanke. Okay, so he's initiated the contact.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What controversial goal decision is discussed in this episode?
0:05–3:20
2
How does VAR influence the decision-making process in football?
3:20–6:01
3
What are the main arguments regarding the Spurs goal controversy?
6:01–10:41
4
Why is there skepticism about Michael Carrick as Manchester United's permanent manager?
10:41–19:44
5
What were the notable transfers as the window closed in England?
19:44–21:54
6
How do referees' decisions impact player performance and team morale?
21:54–26:40
7
What insights do the guests provide about Manchester City's current struggles?
26:40–34:34
8
How does the episode conclude regarding the future of Manchester United and their management?
34:34–1:09:02
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