CIA Spy: The Deep State Is Real — And You’re Already Under Their Control

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What does the CIA say about being ‘in control’ versus ‘under control’?

Unknown 0:00
Are we really controlled by this I don't know if it's called a d a worldwide deep state? Are the money people that really control everything that goes on with the world? It's not our president, it's not whoever. It's these people in the background, the billionaires, whatever they want to call them.
Andrew Bustamante 0:15
Control is such a great word, uh, and that's the word I'm going to key in on here because what we're all afraid of is being controlled. And CIA has a saying. If you're not under control if you're not if you're not in control. then you're under control. Right, so CIA teaches us if you're not in control, then you're under control. The emphasis in our saying is the first term. You have to be in control. Well, what can you be in control of? You can really only be in control of those things that you can control. Your actions, your thoughts, what you say, where you say it, where you go, what you're wearing. Those are the things that you can truly be in control of. When you are trying to control another person is significantly harder.
Andrew Bustamante 1:02
You can suggest, you can encourage, you can motivate, you can f um manipulate, you can try to coerce, you can do all sorts of things to try to control another person, but at the end of the day, another person isn't out of your control. But that doesn't mean that they're in control of themselves. So when we talk about a deep state, what people are afraid of in a deep state, they're mislabeling. They think they're being controlled.

How does the episode explain the government’s strategy of directing, not controlling, consumer choices?

Andrew Bustamante 1:27
They're not being controlled. People can buy whatever whatever milk they want to buy. They can buy whatever bread they want to buy. They can buy whatever candies they want to buy. They can choose when they shop. They can choose what grocery store they should they stop they shop at. They don't realize the government's not trying to control them, it's trying to direct them, direct their activities. We don't care what milk you buy. But we want you to buy milk. We don't care what bread you buy. But we want you to buy bread. We don't care what grocery store you shop at, but we want you shopping at major grocery stores. Right? That's how the government thinks. How do we direct the masses? Because we want to funnel them in a productive direction that benefits the the national economy.
Andrew Bustamante 2:11
We want to maximize GDP so that we can take the maximum chunk out of GDP to invest in military, surveillance, government, et cetera. So we need them to go in a productive direction that benefits us. But we need to give them enough freedom in that lane that they decide whether they buy sprouted Ezekiel bread or whether they buy wonder bread that's heavily bleached. Think of like a highway that's got six lanes. You can choose what lane you're in. You can choose the speed, when you switch lanes, what car you drive. But you're only going in one direction.
Unknown 2:45
Mm. So let me ask you this, you brought up something very interesting. As a CIA operative. How do you make sure that you're in control right off the bat? What is your A modus operandi.
Andrew Bustamante 2:59
When you're with a person, you're always trying to do the same thing that the government does with the mass. You're always trying to direct their behavior. You know that you can't really control them. I can I can want you to drink a cup of coffee, but I can't force you to drink a cup of coffee. I can't control that you drink what I want you to drink. So instead, I have to use tools that help to direct that activity. We use a lot of what's known as assessment tools. Assessment tools are tools that give you verbal and nonverbal feedback in the moment so that you can start to understand. The person's thoughts, the person's feelings, the person's behaviors, values, patterns, ideas. And as you learn about what that person cares about, you try to reflect it back to them.
Andrew Bustamante 3:42
Something called mirroring. So you talk about your faith, I'll talk about me, my faith. Uh, if I see you wearing all black, like I see you today, the next time that we would meet together, I wouldn't be wearing white, right? I'd be wearing next time. Nicer shoes, because clearly shoes matter to you.

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