"According to NASA's Definition of Life, I'm Not Alive" - Why Nobody Can Define Life | Dr. Kate Adamala
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What does NASA’s definition of life imply and why does the host claim they’re not alive?
That just shows you that there is really no good definition of
life. In your world, life is not clearly defined. I think NASA has a working definition, self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.
That's a fantastic definition, but according to that definition of life, I'm not alive. The fact that we don't fully understand life right now doesn't mean to me that there's something that we're unable to understand. It just means we lack data at this point.
You can create spud cells that feed on carbon in the air. Is that what you're talking about?
I'm mostly talking about the molecules. We need a way to make all the molecules that our civilization uses right now. If you put molecules under the right conditions in the right environment, they will start self-assembling and the emergent property of that assembly is what we call life. It's definitely a milestone, but it's not a mic drop. We're not done. We're showing that you can escape this gravity well of evolution.
Could you introduce yourself to listeners, give some of your background? I know that you've been working in this area for a while. You had cinnels, I think they were called, before spud cells. If you could give some of that background, and as I said, state what the goal of this research is.
My name is Kate Adamala. I'm originally from Poland, where I studied chemistry. Then I got my PhD in biophysics in Italy, in Rome. And then I moved to the States for the other half of my PhD in origin of life and biophysics of origin of life. And then I did a brief stint in neurobiology, synthetic neurobiology as a postdoc. That taught me a lot. One of the things that it did teach me is that I don't like neurobiology. And I don't want to work on that. So when I started my own lab, I wanted to continue the practical applicability of research that I picked up during my neurobiology work. I wanted to know that my research, the things that I'm doing are actually good for something, but I was really drawn to go back to my roots to work on something as cool as origin of life as astrobiology.
So I basically wanted to combine that curiosity driven research that I've done in my early training with the practical biomedical economical applicability of the work that I learned during my postdoc. And that led me to synthetic biology and specifically synthetic cell engineering. And the overarching goal of my research is to make biology a general purpose technology. Right now, biology is very specific. We can make a lot of things with biology, but there are very specific things. And general purpose technology is something that you can pick up and apply to a new direction, new application, new purpose, without the need to re-engineer the whole chassis. Like I can take my work computer and start watching dog videos anytime without having to rewrite the operating system.
And that's the kind of a philosophy, that's the purpose that I want to apply to biology, to moving atoms with biology. And natural biology is not a general purpose technology. And I don't think it I don't believe it can be because natural biology is very complicated. It has a lot of dependencies that we don't understand. And that's that led me to synthetic cell engineering. If you want to make a cell that can be reprogrammed on demand, that can be applied to whatever application you want, to making medicine, diagnostics, making molecules for bioeconomy, that needs to be a platform that's fully engineerable. And you do not have full engineerability on a system that you cannot fully describe. And that's what natural cells are.
They're amazing, but they're not fully describable. They're not chemically defined. and that's where synthetic cells place themselves. They have some advantages of biology, the fact that we can take energy and take feedstock and turn it into whatever atoms we want, whatever products we want. It replicates, it grows, it can make more of itself, so the costs go down, but we have this engineer ability. We can exactly say, I wanna make X pathway with Y product.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does NASA’s definition of life imply and why does the host claim they’re not alive?
0:00–4:53
2
How did Dr. Kate Adamala’s career lead her to synthetic cell engineering?
4:53–9:52
3
What are “spud cells” and how are they assembled from purified molecules?
9:52–16:34
4
How do spud cells feed, grow, and divide – mechanically and genetically?
16:34–22:20
5
Why is ribosome construction the biggest bottleneck for fully synthetic cells?
22:20–27:50
6
Can spud cells be scaled to produce useful therapeutics like insulin?
27:50–33:32
7
What are the bio‑security concerns around mirror‑life research and how do spud cells relate?
33:32–39:35
8
Will engineered life become a reality in Dr. Adamala’s career and why is it essential for the planet’s future?
39:35–46:09
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