Kratom & 7-OH Pt II
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Why are Kratom and 7-OH facing a proposed ban?
Hey David. Kyota, how's it going?
Hi Hayden, you sound a little bit sick there, buddy.
Yeah. I caught a bug. Oh no, what kind of bug? I don't know. I didn't I can't talk to bugs.
We're doing an episode today about um a drug ban here in the United States or a proposed drug ban. Are you a big drug user? Have you been a drug user in the past? Oh my devil. You know, humans always want to alter their states in various ways, you know. When does the government get involved? When do different agencies get involved? Or is it just up to the individual to police their drug taking habits?
Well man, I they do quite a lot of harm, I hear, like the drugs. But also the fighting the drugs does a lot of harm. I've heard that the Mexican cartels and stuff, not good. They're doing some not good stuff. And I am a little bit sympathetic to the argument that maybe we should regulate and police them as a health issue rather than as a criminal matter because the criminal thing seems to be not going so well, uh, particularly in the United States. Uh and here's my can I've got one final thought, Dave? Please. It's just that humans as humans we're facing the irresistible, immutable reality Of death and the ab uh the elimin the sort of elimination of our being in the void. And from what I've heard is that
Uh magic mushrooms can sort of take the edge off some of the dread that accompanies it.
You were advocating for some magic mushies?
Yeah, like we gotta die. That fucking sucks. At least give us some mushrooms that like make it a bit less scary. We're just like scared apes in the void. And all we have to do is take some mushrooms and it's a bit less horrible. And they're like, No, you can't take the mushrooms or take the edge of your existential dread because you might enjoy the mush there's not even any side effects really, like except for that you're a little bit less productive or something for a few hours.
You and I went to university together and we never you know, we never really did the university thing and sort of dabbled in too many drugs, did we? I mean we barely had a beer. We were quite good boys.
Well yeah. Well I mean you were still getting off the Christian hangover and I was sort of in my less drinking era.
Mm uh That's right. You were a bit of a boozer. You're more of a booze hound than a drug taker.
I loved the socially approved drugs that do immeasurable harm.
I'm David Farrier, and New Zealand accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick. Now, Hayden and I got slightly off track there in regards to drugs, but back on track after our Kratom and 70H episode a month or so ago, we got a shit ton of feedback, comments over on Spotify, our Patreon, and to our email address. Lots of Americans had thoughts and experiences with Kratom and 70H. OH. Such was the volume that we thought it was worth doing something with all of it. So in today's episode, listeners' experiences in the world of so-called gas station drugs: the good, the bad, and the ugly. And as a ban on the stuff looms, I also talked to a man who sells the stuff and makes hundreds of millions of dollars from it.
What does he make of it all? You can probably guess. So get ready to get high on another great episode of Flightless Bird, because this is the Kratom and Seven O H Part Two episode. Not a mouthful at all.
I was gonna say it rolls off the tongue.
It's so smooth.
Sagas. Five minutes Fightless for a touchdown in America. I'ma fly this bird touchdown in the
Hey Darren. How's it going? Good,
good, good,
good. I feel like I have fully recovered from our two Canadian episodes. Yeah. Um how do you
feel at the
end of
it? For whiplash, I feel like I've
been through a tumble dryer of some kind. Um, I have thoughts about it. Got some really wonderful feedback at the end of the episode from various people. Um, but it makes me think I'll save it for the end.
Yes, yes.
But it's been a whirlwind.
Well that's a good segue. Um I was just in Vancouver for a few days. You were
we talked about this on our bonus Patreon. So
if you go to Patreon, you can get the full
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why are Kratom and 7-OH facing a proposed ban?
0:03–9:43
2
What is the DEA actually proposing for 7-OH and Kratom?
9:43–14:26
3
How is Michael recovering from 7-OH addiction?
14:26–18:17
4
Can Kratom help with alcohol addiction, and what risks do users report?
18:17–23:09
5
What does a major Kratom manufacturer say about 7-OH safety and regulation?
23:09–39:42
6
How do Kratom addiction and withdrawal affect users and their families?
39:42–51:58
7
How did Anthony Green use Kratom while struggling with heroin and fentanyl?
51:58–1:00:10
8
Can Kratom be a harm-reduction tool, and should it be regulated?
1:00:10–1:17:32