Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Bill O'Reilly Is "Easy To Hate (And That's A Fact)"
26 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main message of Bill O'Reilly's new book?
You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I may take a nap during the podcast.
That's what most of the customers do.
But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me, I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from them now. Not everyone will hear about me. Tina Fey hates me. Jennifer hates you. Hates you?
Hold on.
And so does the blonde.
The cuddliest cuddly bear.
Amy Poehler.
Oh, so does the blonde. Me? Dana, Bill O'Reilly is on today. Bill O'Reilly.
Bill O'Reilly.
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Chapter 2: How does working for yourself compare to the corporate grind?
Can't hear us?
Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bad cave. You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia. Yes. You got to have plants in podcasts. Yeah, absolutely. Because most people you interview are potted plants anyway. Oh, my God. Jeez, two in a row. How old are you? I'm 17. And thanks for having me on, you guys. I really appreciate it.
We're excited to talk to you. You're never, ever boring, ever.
Well, you know, that's probably true, but I know that you have access to the Kardashians, and I'm very, very flattered to be here.
That's right, we do. By the way, I'm really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this, because I have a lot of other questions, secular questions about society and all that.
Sure, sure.
But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone confronting evil. I'm a casual history buff, but you realize you don't really know. I love the way it's written. I read Genghis Khan first. It's very nice and terse sentences. It's very clear. It moves. It has a thesis. And they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping. So I'm just really enjoying it. I read Mao this morning.
So I'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity.
You read all the fun parts first.
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Chapter 3: What are the significant changes in TV and journalism today?
But anyway, you know, my cycle is interesting. I'm kind of a little bit like you guys, but you're much more talented than I am. What we do here, once I left Fox News, was I said, look, I'm going to I've been working for corporations now for 42 years. And I'm going to do it on my own now. I'm going to go out. So I did three corporations, one TV, one radio, and one book and internet, social media.
And I took five people from Fox with me. And then we grew it. 60 people worked for me, six zero now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you can probably see. And my friends are all driving around in carts and playing pickleball. And I said, are you really hitting the pickles? I mean, what are you doing? What is that? Yeah. But I'm working like a Sherpa.
I mean, I would rather be taking luggage up the Himalayas than doing what I'm doing now.
Sometimes working for someone is okay.
But at least I'm calling my own shots.
Yeah.
Well, that trend has only accelerated exponentially since you started and Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson. They create their own ecosystem and there's no difference and everybody's watching everything on YouTube. To me, for you to have a boss... doesn't seem correct.
Well, I never really had one other than, but there was some big boys like Rune Arledge. He was the guy that started Monday Night Football and Howard Cosell. And then it was Roger Ailes. You were tough guys. They were like Lorne Michaels for you guys.
Sure.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Bill O'Reilly share about comedians and their freedom to joke?
I saw that. You know, he works for HBO. Now, he's got autonomy like crazy. He's been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you know, a thousand writers and all of this, but he's still got that corporate structure. You know, he still has to go to the meetings and stuff like that.
And, you know, I'm saying, hey, Mark, you probably make more money just doing this on your own, which he's starting to do.
Right, with Club Random. With the podcast he's inching over.
Yeah.
Yeah.
but he could do the same kind of show himself. And yeah, so I'm glad I was around long enough to see this happen, you know, because going on a traditional talk show, you get the Q and a upfront, the host is feeding you, you know, and now it's just, we're, this is like green room stuff. We're just getting to talk to you unfiltered.
Are you guys amazed though? that in our lifespans, I'm older than you, but we came up in what they call the golden era of TV, linear TV. Are you surprised at the changes and how fast they came in?
david yeah i am for sure and i'm also surprised uh it's also hard to stay in the business in any way shape or form because it goes it switches over to tiktok i mean i was on sitcoms for a while there's not many sitcoms being made uh there's a lot of people doing it the do your do it yourself way as you're talking about some it works some it doesn't but if you have an audience hopefully they can find you and you can
get a bigger piece and call the shots. I look at that Jimmy Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides to like having a boss and saying what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always, it's not like real freedom of speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertising. There's always sort of a boss, right? Unless you're doing your own thing.
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Chapter 5: How does Bill O'Reilly react to Dana's Biden impression?
It needed to be ruined. Because pinheads like you were excluding half the country. All right. We couldn't.
Sure.
You couldn't get their point of view because you guys are sitting in the ivory towers in Manhattan. So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was in again, Trump comes in. You're making money, hating him and they're making money like him. And that's where it all broke down. So now when people turn on linear television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other.
And then the social media, at least some of us, and I include you guys in that, we're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody. We want to be entertaining and informative. And that's why I think we win.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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Chapter 6: What are Bill O'Reilly's thoughts on Gavin Newsom and his political future?
See, I don't do podcasts with people I don't like. Thank you. So I'm going, look, but it wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alec Baldwin, like, if I could beat his brains, then I would. No, you were just being, you were making fun of him. All right. Well, but I know that Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What do you mean you can find a Biden for? You know, and that's the problem.
You've got SNL now knows its audience is 90 percent liberal. So they're feeding them that stuff. It's still funny. All right. But they're feeding them that.
But I think it got to the point where they were allowing it. You could make fun of Biden because after that George Clooney article, it started to switch. And then it was like, well, OK, Dana.
Yeah, there's a big line in the sand because Lorne had asked me to do him when he was still going to be the nominee or, you know. And I said, OK, I'll try, you know, because I knew it was a slippery slope and you had to thread the needle, even if I was in a club or doing it anywhere. And then he's not running anymore and Kamala's in there. And that's when I emerged.
But I when I came out the first night with my Rudolph, I was ready for maybe a heckling, you know. So I had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me. I'd say, get your facts straight, Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him, but it just started with this. And this isn't political. You would say these non sequiturs, this was the hook. Folks, guess what?
And by the way, the fact of the matter is, no, I'm being serious here. I'm not kidding around.
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Chapter 7: How does Bill O'Reilly view the impact of AI on society?
So that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt that he was underserved, if you could say it that way, in the satirical department during his tenure. Whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's a good sign if people are having some fun with the guy who was in charge of our country. But it was fun to go in there and do that.
And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing. And I don't really actively hate anyone I do. Like in my heart, I hate this person. Now I'm going to do an impression. You would be the exception. I would...
because i'm really easy to hate um and that is uh that is a fact the other the other aspect of of what you guys do that intersects with what i do is that you have to be honest about it so i like the guy who does trump now on snl james austin johnson yes right i like him because he's a pro And he gets his lines in, but he doesn't drip of malice.
You can see that he's doing his job as a comedian to deliver funny lines. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just when it crosses over into the destruction. When I went out to L.A. this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at lunch. the HBO studio and goes, well, I was so happy to have a Republican guest. And I go, well, who's that looking around? I'm not a Republican.
And the person was like shocked. I said, I'm a registered independent. What I'm trying to do is find the best problem solver for the country, and that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not going to, you know, I am a traditional American, no doubt about it. I like all that. I think that's why we're the most powerful nation in the world that's ever existed.
And that's one of the reasons I wrote Confronting Evil was because we have,
evil in america and i want people to know about it and i write about the slave traders coming to richest men in the world by doing this horrible stuff in new orleans and virginia and then i write about rockefeller and jp morgan who are you know wall street icons to this day they were rotten bastards okay and teddy roosevelt took them out
And so I'm the kind of guy that isn't an ideologue, and ideologues bore me to death. It's just the same stuff over and over and over again, the propaganda stuff. I hate it.
Well, I think it's smart to be independent because if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far extreme white supremacist or whatever the labels are. And if you say you're a Democrat, they think so far left. So there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think clearly and just sort of go case by case, issue by issue. Right.
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Chapter 8: What humorous stories does Bill O'Reilly share about his interactions with celebrities?
I said, yeah, we won't use the monkey.
That's now his thing.
But Ailes worked at CNBC. So he knew. I said, we're not using a monkey. We're just going to use Miller. All right. Just once a week, because I want to get a totally unpredictable take. on the country, on the world.
Very true. Yeah, you'll get it.
Right? Yeah. And it worked. It worked great. And it was just, boom, it blew up. Everybody looked forward to it. And then Miller and I went out on the road. On the road, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. And phenomenal.
Huge audiences. Huge.
I know from Dennis. Yeah, we did. We did well. The only shows that I did that were more successful were the four I did with Trump. which were unbelievable about attendance and grosses and stuff like that, because that was after he lost the election, even though he'd never admit he lost it, he lost it. And we went out to the arenas and we did a history thing. But Miller's...
to this day, the way he can analyze stuff, he just cuts right through to garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is, which is what I was looking for.
He's amazing. I mean, his quote at the end of the day, it was like, Jesus, all I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys, all right? That was like a nice, tight way.
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