Dr. Susan Baum on 2e Learners & Elmbridge University’s Program on Cognitive Diversity

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What is the purpose of this mini‑episode and who is Dr. Susan Baum?

Debbie Reber 0:03
I'm Debbie Reber and this is Full Tilt Parenting. This is a short, special mini episode that I am dropping today because my friends at Elmbridge University, that's formerly Bridges Graduate School, let me know that enrollment is now open for the next cohort of their really unique graduate program in cognitive diversity and education. And application deadlines are coming up in June. So when Dr. Susan Baum, she's one of the leading Voices and twice exceptionality, and she's the chancellor of the program. When she said she could join me for a quick chat about her work and what makes this program so impactful, I said absolutely. Susan is the author of the award-winning book To Be Gifted and Learning Disabled and has spent decades advocating for more inclusive, strength-based approaches to supporting 2e students.
Debbie Reber 0:50
She's also the co-director of the 2E Center for Research and Preparation. Professional development at Bridges Academy. So in this very brief conversation, Susan shares insights into supporting twice exceptional learners, why environment matters so much, and then we talk a little bit about the program and how it's helping educators better understand and serve complex neurodivergent students. And if you want to learn more, maybe you're interested in applying and being a part of the next cohort for this very cool program. You can head to Elmbridge.edu. That's E-L-M-B-R-I-D-G-E dot Edu. Okay, and here's my quick chat with Doctor Susan Baum. Hey Susan, welcome to the podcast.
Dr. Susan Baum 1:34
Well, I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
Debbie Reber 1:38
Well, of course. I was really excited when I got a note saying you were available to do a a short little conversation and we will bring you back onto the show for a deeper look at twice exceptionality and your work in this field. But this is a special little mini episode that we are doing because I wanna bring attention to the program that you're involved in, the graduate school program. But before we do that, since I have you, I wanted to ask About twice exceptionality. I'm doing a lot of reflection at the moment. Tilt just had his 10-year anniversary, and I've been really thinking about like what has changed since I started Tilt in terms of awareness and understanding. And so I'm gonna pose that question to you.
Debbie Reber 2:18
Where have you seen a lot of growth in the field that you've been an originator of?
Dr. Susan Baum 2:25
Well, certainly awareness has grown greatly. And a lot of adults are coming forward and saying, I am twice exceptional. I know that growing up I had a differently wired brain. Some are identifying with autism, some more with ADHD, some said I always had dyslexia. And now people are willing to own it and because I think they're feeling that they better understand their journey. And we know that more kids are being diagnosed perhaps as twice exceptional, not served well, but at least there is more advocacy for them and again greater awareness in schools because some jobs are opening up, which is amazing. to me. The city of Denver is looking for a coordinator for twice exceptional.
Debbie Reber 3:20
Really?
Dr. Susan Baum 3:21
Amazing. There's a school in uh Washington, DC that's looking for a headmaster in the school for twice exceptional. Another district in Maryland has a coordinator for twice exceptional. This is amazing growth. I'm very excited about those things.
Debbie Reber 3:39
Yeah, that is incredible momentum to see. And where would you say then some of the kind of biggest misunderstandings are still in schools? Like do you you know, 'cause I think there's this idea still among some teachers that you actually can't be gifted and have a learning disability. Are are there some kind of common themes that you're still continuing to come up against? Yeah.
Dr. Susan Baum 4:03
I too am reflecting. I'm actually writing a memoir thinking about how my ideas developed over the years and where they started and and what has changed them over time. And so uh I'm doing a lot of reflecting with a colleague who she and I entered the field around the same time and and sadly certain problems still exist, but one that's come to mind lately because I'm working

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