TPP 152a: Education Thought Leader Jordan Shapiro on Screens, Kids, and His Book "The New Childhood"
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Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children
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What inspired Jordan Shapiro to write *The New Childhood*?
Hey there, it's Debbie. Today's episode is a special re-release of a favorite conversation from the archives. Unless you're a longtime listener of the show, there's a good chance you haven't heard this one before. And even if you have, you just might get something completely different from it this time around.
When it comes to screens, one of the things that bothers me is what that often means is it's still this sort of time question. It's often, you know, I keep track of how many hours they're on it. But I want parents on it with the kids when they're little so that the kids learn to imitate mature behaviors online. So they learn to imitate ethical behaviors, not just online in a digital world, so that they learn how to make sense of it.
Welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing, and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. My name is Debbie Rieber and I'm the host of this show. And today I'm talking with Jordan Shapiro, a PhD who is a world renowned thought leader on global policy, education, game based learning, and parenting in the 21st century. Jordan is a senior fellow for the Joan Gance Cooney Center at Sesame Workshop, and non resident fellow in the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution, and is an international speaker. Speaker and consultant whose fresh perspective combines psychology, philosophy, and economics in unexpected ways.
I wanted to bring Jordan on the podcast after reading an article about his new book, The New Childhood Raising Kids to Thrive in a Connected World, that piqued my interest. It offered a point of view on the role of screens and technology in the lives of children that was in contrast to what we so commonly hear. The New Childhood draws on groundbreaking research in economics, psychology, philosophy. Yeah. And asks readers to consider how technology is guiding humanity toward a bright future in which our children will be able to create new, better models of global citizenship, connection and community. In our conversation, we talk about the ideas behind his book, what Jordan sees as the biggest problems with the way parents are relating to their children's screen time usage, why he thinks it's important for parents to integrate a child's use of technology and their off-screen life, and much more.
Just like Jordan's book, this was a thought provoking conversation that left me thinking differently about the role of screens and technology in our family. I hope it provides you with some interesting food for thought. Before I get to the interview, I want to give a quick shout out to some new supporters of the podcast, Natalia Bogari and Heidi Venkemens. I am so grateful for your joining my Patreon campaign and helping me fund this show. If you're listening to this and you enjoy this podcast and would like to support its production, please consider joining Natalia and Heidi by signing up for my Patreon campaign and supporting this show at the $5, $10, or even $20 a month level. Every dollar of that money goes directly toward covering the production costs for this show and the operating costs for Tilt Parenting.
Thank you so much for considering. If you want to learn more or sign up, just go to patreon dot com slash tilt parenting and Patreon is spelled P A T R E O N. Thank you so much. And now here is my conversation with Jordan. Hello Jordan, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks. It's great to be a part of this.
Yeah, I'm uh I've been wanting to have you on the show since I read an article about your new book, The New Childhood. I shared it with my community on Facebook and got some interesting comments and I just thought I want to bring you on the show to just have a deeper conversation about the work that you're doing. I think it's pretty relevant to my community. So before we get into that, can you just take a minute or two to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about the work that you do?
I can do my best. I mean I do a ton of things. Um you know, I I my background is in psychology and and philosophy and I sort of accidentally got interested in uh kids and technology, mostly because I I I was observing my own kids and worrying about what was best for them and I just found myself doing a lot of a lot of writing about video games, about kids and screens, about uh about play in general, about
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What inspired Jordan Shapiro to write *The New Childhood*?
0:00–7:21
2
How does Shapiro define the “hearth” and “agora” metaphor for children’s digital lives?
7:21–13:31
3
Why does Shapiro argue that screen‑time shouldn’t be measured only in hours?
13:31–19:26
4
What strategies does he suggest for parents to model ethical online behavior?
19:26–24:05
5
How can video games be used as learning tools rather than distractions?
24:05–28:43
6
What does Shapiro say about screen‑time addiction and the language we use?
28:43–34:36
7
How should parents address screens for neuro‑diverse or ADHD children?
34:36–39:38
8
What practical steps does Shapiro recommend for families to create healthier tech habits?
39:38–45:06
Speakers
1 identifiedMore from Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children
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