TPP 315: Dr. Lori Desautels on Rewiring Our Perceptions of Discipline in Schools, and at Home

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What is the main premise of Dr. Lori Desautels’ “Connections over Compliance”?

Dr. Lori Desautels 0:00
When we think about how we have traditionally been conditioned as adults with looking at discipline versus looking at punishment, I have found that Collectively in our society we feel as if The consequence isn't painful enough or uncomfortable enough, we won't get that sustainable behavioral change. And that is not accurate. It actually goes against and resists the way the brain and body develop.
Debbie Reber 0:36
Welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing, and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. I'm your host, Debbie Reeber. I am very excited to bring you my conversation with Dr. Lori DeSottles today, especially after reading her what I see as revolutionary book, Connections Over Compliance, Rewiring Our Perceptions of Discipline. Lori's work centers around helping educators, parents, and adults who work with children shift the way they think about discipline and reject approaches that prioritize compliance and obedience. She's actively pushing back against reactive and punitive practices that can potentially reactivate the developing stress response systems of children and is advocating for stronger co-regulation practices and regulated brain.
Debbie Reber 1:28
And body states for adults. So during this conversation, we explore why there is such a powerful foundational belief that discipline and punishment go together, what happens when the traditional methods of punishment are imposed on children who are coming to school with trauma or heightened nervous systems, and why it's so important for educators to take responsibility over their own nervous system regulation. Lori also shared some practical strategies that work for educators as well as parents. Here's a little bit more about my guest. Dr. Lori DeSottles has been an assistant professor at Butler University since 2016, where she teaches both undergraduate and graduate programs in the College of Education.
Debbie Reber 2:11
The applied educational neuroscience certification created by Lori is specifically designed to meet the needs of educators, counselors, clinicians, and administrators who work besides children and adolescents who have and are experiencing adversity and trauma. Lori is also the author of four books, including Connections over Compliance, which is what we'll be discussing today. Thank you so much. And now here is my conversation with Dr. Lori DeSadles on shifting our focus from compliance to connection. I hope you enjoy it.
Dr. Lori Desautels 2:50
Hey Lori, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much, Debbie. I'm thrilled to have this conversation this afternoon.
Debbie Reber 2:57
I am too. I recently finished your book. I interviewed a lot of authors, and so I read a lot of books, and some of them I can kind of skim and get the gist, some of them I take lots of notes on. This was one I just wanted to slow down. The experience, there's so much incredible, important critical information in there. So I'm so excited to get into it. Before we do that, I was saying before I hit record that I heard about your work through Dr. Mona Delahook. Of course, when Mona recommends someone to me, I pay close attention. Then I saw your book is called Connections Over Compliance, Rewiring Our Perceptions of Discipline. I was like, okay, I need to get that book and we need to talk. So I would love if you could tell us a little bit about who you are in the world and what brought you to be doing the work that you're doing.
Dr. Lori Desautels 3:45
Well, thank you so much for the opportunity and Mona is wonderful. This work feels to have wings of its own, actually. I think it's Been evolving over the last 10 years. And as we really look at the wealth of research. That supports the developing brain and nervous system. It is it can be overwhelming, but it also has such application for us as parents. And for us as educators, when I think about my three children who are now young adults, I would have parented differently had I known what I know today. And so I hope we can delve into that. And really looking at the application. And the translation. of educational neuroscience through the parenting lens.

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