TPP 405: Navigating PDA in America, with Diane Gould and Ruth Fidler
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Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children
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Скулс не торчан час астун. could attend an assembly last week doesn't mean he can do it now, or the fact that they did well on a math quiz or timed event one time doesn't mean they can do it another day. So it really takes flexibility. And with PDA students, it's all about trusting relationships that the school can be a safe place for them. And there's adults who can keep their nervous system safe, who can co regulate with them, that understand them. And that's really non negotiable.
I'm Debbie Rieber, and welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing, and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. In today's conversation, I'm thrilled to dive into the much anticipated book, Navigating PDA in America, with its co authors and thought leaders in the PDA space, Diane Gould and Ruth Fidler. We've talked about PDA in past episodes, but I I learned so much from this book, and I'm really excited to share it with you because PDA is a diagnosis bringing clarity and relief to so many families. As it gains visibility and traction in the neurodivergence space, the more we know, the better we can support PDAs in our communities.
So in this conversation, we explore the nuances of the PDA profile, how one might determine if the identification fits, where North America America stands in understanding PDA compared with the rest of the world, the challenges PDA individuals face in school and how they can be effectively addressed, what type of therapy is best for someone with the PDA profile, and much more. And a little background on my guests, Diane Gould, a licensed clinical social worker and the founder of PDA North America, has a private practice in the suburbs of Chicago where she serves neurodivergent children. And adults and their families. Diagnosed as autistic in 2024, Diane has spent over 40 years working for private agencies and school systems.
She is on a mission to raise awareness and understanding of PDA in the US. Ruth Fiddler, an educational consultant with 22 years of experience in autism and PDA, is an expert on emotional well-being. Ruth regularly observes and monitors teaching and learning, supporting staff to embed and refine good autism and send practice. She often presents at local or national events and conferences for parents and for a range of professionals. In addition to the book we're talking about today, Ruth has co-authored Understanding pathological demand avoidance syndrome in children, can I tell you about pathological demand avoidance, collaborative approaches to learning, girls and autism, and being Julia? If you want to have a deeper understanding of PDA, you're going to get a lot out of this episode.
Here is my conversation with Diane Gould and Ruth Fiddler. Hey Diane and Ruth, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you. So happy to be here.
I will say I've been looking forward to this conversation since I first heard about your book coming out. Usually I get pitched books and especially from your publisher, Jessica Kingsley Publishing, they do wonderful books in the neurodivergence space, but usually they're alerting me to new books. And when I found out about this book, I'm like, when can I get an advanced copy? When is this book coming out? So this feels like a long time coming for me. And I'm just so excited to have you both here. I've already read your formal bio and we've known each other over the internet for a number of years. But I would love if you could each just take a moment to tell me a little bit more about how you came to be working in this space, kind of wrapped up in your personal why.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–6:46
2
What is the focus of today’s episode and who are the guests?
6:46–24:47
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How did Diane Gould and Ruth Fidler become involved in PDA work and decide to write the book?
24:47–25:42
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What distinguishes a PDA profile from other autism presentations?
25:42–46:53
Speakers
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