Art Museum-Based Medical Education: Amy Klein, Laura Morrison, and Gordon Wood
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
49 min
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What inspired the hosts to explore museum‑based medical education?
Welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast. This is Eric Widera. This is Alex Smith. And Alex, who do we have on the podcast with us to talk about? Oh, I was going to give an intro to talk about art and building connection and meaning in medicine. Who do we have with us?
We're delighted to welcome Amy Klein, who is a palliative care doctor and potter, and she's at the University of Arizona and Banner University Medical Center in Tucson, Arizona, where she directs the Palliative Care and Hospice Fellowship. Amy, welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast.
Thank you so much. I'm really happy to be here.
And we're delighted to welcome Laura Morrison, who's a geriatrician and palliative care doctor at Yale University School of Medicine in Connecticut and also directs the Hospice and Palliative Medicine Fellowship there. Laura, welcome to GeriPal. Thank you. I think we've written about your work. I don't think we've had you on though, have we? Is this your
first time? Not yet. I'm so delighted to be here.
Long overdue. All three of you are overdue, and we're also delighted to welcome Gordon Wood, who's a palliative care doctor and photographer. And Gordon is at the Northwestern University in Chicago, where he's Associate Program Director for the Hospice and Palliative Medicine Fellowship. Gordon, welcome to the Jerry Powell Podcast. Excited to be here.
So I'm really excited to talk about this, mainly because I have no artistic skills or knowledge, but I'm really interested. I have seen
some of Eric's drawings. He
can
attest. I can
vouch for that. He can attest. But before we do, we always start off with a song request. Amy, I think you have a song request for Alex.
I do have a song request. My song request is Vincent by Don McLean.
Why did you choose this song?
This is a song I loved actually growing up. My mom used to play it in the house. And it is a song about Vincent Van Gogh and shares the story about really who he was and his life. And talked even about his mental illness, interestingly enough, at a time when it was difficult to talk about it back in the 1970s.
Yeah, I first heard this song, I think, maybe the first time, when I was at the Ann Arbor Folk Festival in college at Michigan, and Chet Atkins played it. And he is one of the pioneers, like a father of finger-style guitar, where you play melody and you have chords and bass at the same time. And incredible. Michael Hedges had just given a performance, and he came out to watch And he was just in awe. Love this song. For those of you listening to the audio only, you get my son Kai playing Hawaiian slacky style guitar with me. And those watching on YouTube, here we go for the live.
Starry, starry night Paint your palette blue and gray Look out on a summer's day With eyes that know the darkness in my soul Shadows on the
hills
Sketch the trees and daffodils Catch the breeze and winter chills In colors on the snowy linen land But now I understand What you tried to say to me How you suffered for your sanity How you tried to set them free They would not listen, they did not know how Perhaps they'll listen now
This song makes a lot more sense to me now, knowing that it's titled Vincent.
It's about Vincent Van Gogh.
I never knew that. See, this is the limitations. I know nothing about art, apparently music, because I did not... I didn't even know the title of that. We
will address on this podcast. Can you use art to teach if you are not artistic yourself?
Yeah. And I got to say, I got interested in this. I really wanted this podcast to happen. Alex can attest to that, too. because I actually went to Tucson, met with Amy, and she was talking about her use of museum-based education. I forgot, was it for med students or fellows or both, Amy?
Mostly fellows. I've done it with our fellowship program for our team, and I've also done it a little bit for the oncology team as well.
So I got excited about it. Amy tried to convince me it was a good idea and I should try it. So I actually went home, and we are lucky. I am a 10-minute walk through some trees to an art museum, the Legion of Honor here.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What inspired the hosts to explore museum‑based medical education?
0:00–5:28
2
How did Amy Klein first integrate art into palliative‑care fellowship training?
5:28–11:55
3
What practical exercises (Personal Responses Tour, VTS) are used to connect art with patient care?
11:55–17:37
4
How do Laura Morrison and her Yale team structure museum sessions for hospice fellows?
17:37–23:26
5
What role do museum educators play and how essential are they for successful sessions?
23:26–29:17
6
How can facilitators manage emotional risks, ambiguity, and potential harms in a public museum setting?
29:17–35:59
7
What evidence and outcomes show that art‑based training improves empathy, perspective‑taking, and team cohesion?
35:59–42:15
8
What tips and prompts help newcomers design their own museum‑based education activities?
42:15–48:59
Speakers
2 identifiedMore from GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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