Comprehensive Geriatric Assessment: Benefits, Cost-Effectiveness, and Who It Helps Most - Eric Wong and Thiago Silva

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What is the purpose of today’s episode and who are the guests?

Eric Widera 0:00

This episode of the Jerry Pal podcast is CME eligible.

Alex Smith 0:04

To claim credit, please go to the CME tab on jerrypal.org.

Eric Widera 0:09

Welcome to the Jerry Pal podcast. This is Eric Guadera.

Alex Smith 0:13

This is Alex Smith. And Alex, who do we have with us today? Today, we are delighted to welcome from the great state of Canada... From the great country of Canada. Oh, we're going to get

Eric Widera 0:29

a lot of comments on that one, Alex. That's

Alex Smith 0:31

terrible. We'd like to welcome Eric Wong, who is a geriatrician and researcher, PhD candidate at the University of Toronto, practices geriatrics at St. Michael's Hospital. Eric, welcome to the GeriPal podcast.

Eric Wong 0:46

Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.

Alex Smith 0:47

And we're delighted to welcome Tiago Silva, who's a geriatrician from Brazil and is currently a T32 postdoctoral research fellow at UCSF in the Division of Geriatrics. Tiago, welcome to GeriPal.

Eric Widera 1:00

Thanks. Great to be here. So we're going to be talking about...

What exactly is a Comprehensive Geriatric Assessment (CGA)?

Eric Widera 1:04

comprehensive geriatric assessments, a topic that I have a vague, foggy idea exactly what it is, but we're going to be talking about what it is, who should get it, and what's the evidence base. But before we go into all of that, Diago, I think you have a song request for Alex.

Thiago Silva 1:22

Yeah, our song request today is Getting Odor by Billie Eilish. And I like that song because it kind of, you know, shares a reflection on, you know, getting older, cumulative life experience. And that's why I requested that song. Isn't

Eric Widera 1:41

Billie Eilish like

Thiago Silva 1:42

18? Well, maybe in her soul, she's a little bit older.

Alex Smith 1:54

For this comprehensive geriatric

Eric Widera 1:56

assessment

Alex Smith 1:57

podcast. Yeah.

Which clinical domains and multidisciplinary team members are essential for a CGA?

Alex Smith 1:59

It's a great song. She's such a good singer. Here's a little bit in my older voice.

Unknown 2:21

I wish someone had told me I'd be doing this myself There's reasons that I'm thankful There's a lot I'm grateful for But it's different when a stranger's always waiting at your door Which is ironic cause the strangers seem to want me more than anyone before anyone Too bad they're usually deranged Last week I realized I crave pity When I retell a story I make everything sound worse Can't shake the feeling That I'm just bad at healing And maybe that's the reason Every sentence sounds reversed Which is ironic because when I wasn't honest I was still being ignored I am for attention just to get neglection Now we're estranged Things I once enjoyed

Unknown 4:00

Someday I'll be bored of It's so weird That we care so much Until we don't

Eric Widera 4:23

Wonderful. Thank you, Alex. Pretty good. Good song, Tiago. All right, Eric. I got to ask, what the heck is a comprehensive geriatric assessment?

Eric Wong 4:35

So the comprehensive geriatric assessment, in my view, is just sort of like the most common tool that a geriatrician uses to assess an older adult with complexity or with frailty. And there are a lot of definitions. And I think there was an umbrella review a few years ago discussing what the definition is because there's so many out there. But I think the commonalities include it being multidimensional, so it has to assess multiple domains, it has to identify geriatric issues, and it has to come up with a plan to manage those issues. That's my impression.

How does a CGA relate to the 4‑Ms (or 5‑Ms) age‑friendly health‑system framework?

Eric Widera 5:11

And Eric, you do CGA's in your practice, right? Comprehensive Geriatric Assessments. Yeah, yeah. What does that look like for you?

Eric Wong 5:19

So basically, in our practice, you know, in Toronto, generally, we mainly do CGA. So we mainly do consultations on new patients, whether they're in the acute care setting, in the rehab setting or in the clinic. And some of us for the outpatient clinics, we will follow people longitudinally. So the sort of the comprehensive geriatric assessment would be the first visit where we do a longer assessment. And then the follow ups would be sort of more focused on the individual domains or issues that the patient has. But in general, we do the CGA. Like that's basically our main practice is doing CGA.

Alex Smith 5:56

Yeah. What domains

Eric Wong 5:58

do you cover? So we do a lot of different domains, but I think the most common ones are cognition, falls, mood, multimorbidity, polypharmacy, those kind of geriatric syndromes.

Eric Widera 6:13

And Tiago, did you do them in Brazil?

Thiago Silva 6:16

Yeah, we do them in Brazil as well.

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1 What is the purpose of today’s episode and who are the guests? 0:00–1:04 2 What exactly is a Comprehensive Geriatric Assessment (CGA)? 1:04–1:59 3 Which clinical domains and multidisciplinary team members are essential for a CGA? 1:59–5:11 4 How does a CGA relate to the 4‑Ms (or 5‑Ms) age‑friendly health‑system framework? 5:11–6:35 5 What does the research say about the clinical outcomes of CGA? 6:35–7:55 6 How cost‑effective is a geriatrician‑led CGA across different care settings? 7:55–9:31 7 Which care settings provide the greatest value for geriatrician‑led CGA when resources are limited? 9:31–11:06 8 What are the practical implications for clinicians and health‑system planners from the study’s findings? 11:06–44:00

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Eric Widera 10 min Alex Smith 3 min

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In today's podcast we talk with Eric Wong, geriatrician-researcher from Toronto, and Thiago Silva, geriatrician-researcher from Brazil, about the comprehensive geriatrics assessment. We spend the first 30 minutes (at least) discussing what, exactly is the comprehensive geriatric assessment, including: What domains of assessment are essential/mandatory components of the comprehensive geriatrics assessment? Who performs it? Is a multidisciplinary team required? Can a geriatrician perform it alone? Can non-geriatricians perform it? Who is the comprehensive geriatrics assessment for? Who is most likely to benefit? Eric Widera suggests not as much benefit for very sick and very healthy older adults, more benefit in the vast middle. Why do the comprehensive geriatrics assessment? What are the interventions that it leads to (we cover this more conceptually, rather than naming all possible interventions) How does the comprehensive geriatrics assessment relate to the 4Ms (or 5 Ms)? How long does it take to conduct a comprehensive geriatrics assessment? What's the evidence (BMJ meta analysis) for the comprehensive geriatrics assessment? What are the outcomes we hope for from the comprehensive geriatrics assessment? That final point, about outcomes, bring's us to Eric Wong's study, published in JAGS, which evaluates the cost effectiveness of the comprehensive geriatrics assessment performed by a geriatrician across settings (e.g. acute care, rehab, community clinics). As an aside, as the editor at JAGS who managed this manuscript, I will say that we don't ordinarily publish cost effectiveness studies at JAGS, as the methods are opaque to our clinical audience (e.g. raise your hand if you understand what 'CGA provided in the combination of acute care and rehab was non-dominated' means). We published this article because its bottom line is of great interest to geriatricians. In Eric's study, geriatricians performing CGA were more cost effective than usual care in Every. Single. Setting. And of course cost effectiveness is only one small piece of the argument for why we do the comprehensive geriatrics assessment in the first place (no patient in the history of the world has ever asked for a test or treatment because it's cost effective for the health care system). I'll close with a couple of "mic drop" excerpts from Thiago's accompanying editorial: Finally, it is instructive to compare the cost-effectiveness of geriatric services and CGAs with other interventions. A recent analysis of lecanemab for early-stage Alzheimer's disease found that gaining one QALY would cost approximately $287,000 (USD). In contrast, Wong et al. estimated that adding community-based CGA would cost about $1203 (CAD) per quality-adjusted life month (QALM) (equating to roughly $10,105 (USD) per QALY, using $1 USD = $0.7 CAD), making geriatrician-led CGA nearly 30 times more cost-effective. Put simply, for each dollar spent to improve quality of life for a year through CGA, one would need to spend almost $30 to achieve the same benefit with lecanemab. Ultimately, the question is not whether geriatricians represent a worthwhile investment (they are) but how healthcare systems can ensure that every older adult requiring specialized, comprehensive care can access it. Wong et al.'s modeling study provides a valuable contribution by showing that geriatricians placed in acute and rehabilitation settings offer the most cost-effective deployment given current workforce limitations. Despite some caveats, the overarching message remains clear: geriatric expertise not only enhances care quality but can also align with health-economic objectives, especially in high-acuity environments. However, we cannot allow an inadequate geriatric workforce to become a permanent constraint, forcing painful decisions about which older adults and which settings will miss out on optimal geriatric care. Instead, we should continue to strive to increase the number of geriatricians through robust training programs and payment model reform to ensure that cost-effective care can be provided for this large and growing vulnerable population. -Alex Smith

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