Images of the Dying: A Podcast with Wendy MacNaughton, Lingsheng Li, and Frank Ostaseski
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
49 min
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What is the purpose of the UCSF Palliative Medicine sponsorship and how can listeners learn about job opportunities?
This episode of the Jerry Bell Podcast is sponsored by UCSF's Division of Palliative Medicine, an amazing group doing world-class palliative care.
UCSF's Division of Palliative Medicine are looking to build on their research and clinical programs and are interviewing candidates for the Associate Chief of Research position and for full-time physician faculty to join them in the inpatient and outpatient settings.
To learn more about job opportunities, please go to palliativemedicine.ucsf.edu forward slash job hyphen dash job dash openings. Or if you're like me and you have difficulty, I don't remember what a backslash or forward slash is. Just go to the show notes of this episode and click on the link and onto the show. Welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast. This is Eric Widera.
This is Alex Smith.
And Alex, who do we have with us today?
Today we are delighted to welcome Wendy McNaughton, who is trained as a social worker and is an author, an illustrator, an author of How to Say Goodbye, a book of visual journalism. She has a TED Talk. She launched these draw together groups for kids, for adults, for strangers. And she has a sub stack draw together with Wendy Mack that you can find and join and is co-founder of Women Who Draw. Wendy, welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast.
Really happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
and we're delighted to welcome Frank Ostaseski, founding director of Zen Hospice Project, a Buddhist teacher, founder of the Metta Institute, recipient of the Humanities Award for AHPM in 2018, and author of The Five Innovations, Discovering What Death Can Teach Us About Living Fully, something that we hope to talk about today. Frank, welcome to the Jerry Pal podcast.
Nice to be here with you all. Great to be here. Invitations, five invitations.
Five invitations. Five invitations. Lingxing Li is a geriatrics and palliative care doc and illustrator and is currently a T32 research fellow at UCSF. You can find her illustrations online at her Twitter account, particularly those about the anti-Asian hate study that we did recently and had a podcast about, as well as in Annals of Internal Medicine. She has illustrations of clinician moral distress and coping. Lingxing, welcome back to Jerry Pal.
It's so nice to be here. Thank you, Alex.
And Ling Xing will be kind of a guest host today.
A little bit of both. I got some questions for Ling Xing. But before we jump into the topic at hand, which I think we're calling images of the dying, maybe illustrations, maybe drawing. We'll get into that. We'll get into all that. I got questions. Somebody has a song request. Ling Xing, is it you?
It's me again. And the song we have today is Photograph by Ed Sheeran.
Why did you pick Photograph by Ed Sheeran?
It's a beautiful song. And the reason why we chose it is really inspired by Wendy and Frank's work, thinking about how images, photos can really be a way to preserve the memories of those we love, whether they're present with us or not. And also just thinking about the big picture of what it's important to show love to each other. And it's hard and it hurts sometimes, but it's one of the best things that we can do for another person. I
got another question. Are you an Ed Sheeran fan?
I would say
yes. Oh, yeah?
Yes.
I just saw him play at Bottle Rock. He was with the Offspring. So I heard him play with the Offspring. If anybody knows what that is. Sounds
like a good show.
Alex, you want to take it away?
Who are the guests on the episode and what are Wendy MacNaughton’s and Frank Ostaseski’s backgrounds?
Loving can hurt Loving can hurt sometimes But it's the only
thing
that I know When it gets hard You know it gets hard sometimes It is the only thing that makes us feel alive We keep this love in a photograph We make these memories for ourselves Where our eyes are never closing Our hearts were never broken And time's forever frozen still So you can keep me Inside the pocket of your ripped jeans Holding me closer till our eyes meet You won't ever be
alone
Wait for me to come
home. That was beautiful. Thank you, Alex.
Alex, that was very.
Oh, yeah. I have
the lead question today.
I'm switching. I'm not on my game. I did Iron Man Santa Cruz yesterday.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the purpose of the UCSF Palliative Medicine sponsorship and how can listeners learn about job opportunities?
0:00–3:55
2
Who are the guests on the episode and what are Wendy MacNaughton’s and Frank Ostaseski’s backgrounds?
3:55–13:30
3
Why was Ed Sheeran’s “Photograph” chosen and how does music relate to the theme of images of the dying?
13:30–31:59
4
How did early photography of patients at Zen Hospice help medical students learn about death?
31:59–49:49
Speakers
3 identifiedMore from GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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