Navigating Organ Donation Discussions: Toby Campbell, Nikole Neidlinger, Samantha Taylor
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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What is the opening introduction and purpose of this organ donation episode?
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And on to the show. Welcome to the Jerry Powell Podcast. This is Eric Wadera. This is Alex Smith. And Alex, today we got a new topic we haven't talked about before. We
were delighted that Toby Campbell reached out to us with this suggested for this podcast because this is such a great topic. So Toby is a palliative care doc. He's an oncologist. He's a physician researcher. He's chief of palliative care at the University of Wisconsin. He is the host of Extraordinary Conversations, a podcast about this topic today, organ donation.
Organ donation is our topic,
yeah. And also host of the Palliatively Speaking podcast, where he interviews experts in palliative care. Toby, welcome to the Jerry Pell podcast. Thank
you so much for having me. And Toby recommended two great people to be with us. Two great
people. The first is Samantha Taylor, who is a donation support specialist. We'll learn what that means. And trainer of donation support specialists and is trained in social work. And Samantha is at the University of Wisconsin Organ and Tissue Donation Program. Sam, welcome to the Jerry Powell Podcast.
Yeah, happy to be here.
And finally, Nicole Neidlinger. Did I get that right?
You did.
Okay, good. Who is an abdominal transplant surgeon and medical director of organ and tissue donation at the University of Wisconsin. Nicole, welcome to Jerry Pal.
Thank you, Alex and Eric. Nice to be here.
So before we go into the topic of organ donation, we always request a song. Toby, I think you have a song request for Alex. My choice for a song
is Butterfly by the wonderful John Batiste. I chose this song because it's a song about transformation. And organ donation and transplantation especially is really about transformation, right? From, you know, from death comes life.
That is more apropos than Butterfly by Crazy Town. I don't think would fit this podcast, so...
Butterfly all alone Can you fly on your own? Take your place in the world today Butterfly flying home Cherry plum and chewing gum Mini skirts and cars at home I see you Driving round with your head held high
Lovely request.
Lovely song. Well done. I recorded that with my wife, Cindy, on the piano last night. So for those of you who are not watching on YouTube, you get to hear that version. Thank you, Toby. Beautiful song. Thank you.
We have done podcasts on brain death. Heck, even if you take the palliative care boards, there's questions around brain death. I don't think there's ever a question on organ donation. I don't think there was anything in our curriculum around organ donation, both geriatrics and palliative care. I don't think it's even, it wasn't my residency. I don't even know what my role is other than calling up the organ tissue donor network when I suspect somebody may be close to death and we're withdrawing life-sustaining treatments or when they die in our hospice unit. So Toby, I got to ask you this question. What in the world, as an oncologist and as a palliative care doctor, made you start thinking, oh, I want to do a podcast on organ donation?
I mean, something like 15 years ago, Sam Taylor, who's over that way on my screen, knew that I was doing communication skills training at UW, just on bad news, things that you guys are familiar with. And she brought this truly extraordinary conversation to me, which is the organ donation consent conversation, wondering, because they had a huge challenge of training someone at hospitals across our whole network, which is mostly the state of Wisconsin. So in working with Sam and helping them think through how do we teach people communication skills, I came to have a deep respect for this surrogate decision-making conversation. And I called the podcast Extraordinary Conversations because this is a one-off conversation.
In every other decision-making conversation about a medical therapy or surgery, the procedure is intended to benefit the recipient.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the opening introduction and purpose of this organ donation episode?
0:00–7:00
2
Why did Toby Campbell decide to focus a whole podcast season on organ donation?
7:00–12:31
3
How does a Donation Support Specialist like Sam Taylor train hospitals and families for donation conversations?
12:31–18:56
4
What are the key clinical differences between Donation after Brain Death (DBD) and Donation after Circulatory Death (DCD)?
18:56–23:43
5
Why are family‑centered conversations essential for donor families and how do they impact grief?
23:43–29:10
6
When should clinicians call the Organ Procurement Organization and what is their role before the OPO takes over?
29:10–35:03
7
What does the first 60‑seconds of a donation request conversation look like and why is rapport critical?
35:03–41:42
8
What is the single most important takeaway for healthcare providers caring for seriously ill patients about organ donation?
41:42–50:19
Speakers
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