Should Palliative Care be in the Survivorship Business? A Podcast with Laura Petrillo, Laura Shoemaker

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What is the main focus of the episode and who are the expert guests?

Eric Widera 0:00
Welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast. This is Eric Rodera. This is Alex Smith. And Alex, who do we have on the podcast?
Alex Smith 0:06
We are delighted to welcome Laura Shoemaker, who's a palliative care doc at the Cleveland Clinic and primarily practices outpatient palliative care in the Cancer Center. Laura Shoemaker, welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast.
Laura Shoemaker 0:18
It's really glad to be here.
Alex Smith 0:19
And we're delighted to welcome back Laura Petrillo, who's been on several times. She's a palliative care doc and researcher at the Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School. Laura Petrillo, welcome back to the Jerry Pal podcast.
Laura Petrillo 0:34
Great to be here. Great to see you guys.
Eric Widera 0:36
And we got an interesting topic, maybe a little bit of debate about survivorship. Should palliative care be in the survivorship business game care? The answer is clear. Will it be clear? I don't know. The Laura's will help us. The Laura's will help. Laura Shoemaker, I think you have the song request. What song did you choose?
Laura Shoemaker 1:00
I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor.
Eric Widera 1:03
Now, do I have to ask why you chose, like, is there a deep spiritual or connection why you chose this song other than the clearly linking to survivorship?
Laura Shoemaker 1:14
Well, it was the only song title I could think of that had the word survivor in it or survive in it. And who wouldn't love to hear the two of you? Take
Eric Widera 1:24
a stab at this song. The one of us. The one
Luigi Paraventi 1:28
of you.
Alex Smith 1:28
It's too bad Laura Petrillo's not here. I do remember a time, Eric. Do you remember the time we did that podcast about CPR? How should we talk about CPR? And Laura Petrillo was singing... What was the song? It's
Laura Petrillo 1:43
I don't know if I remember which song, but I do remember singing with you.
Alex Smith 1:46
Yeah. Yeah. It's the one that you do the CPR to. Okay. Here we go. A little bit of I Will
Laura Petrillo 1:52
Survive. That's probably
Alex Smith 1:54
not that one. That's the CPR song, right? It was the one from that
Eric Widera 1:57
grease.
Alex Smith 1:59
Okay.
Eric Widera 2:00
Here we go.
Alex Smith 2:02
At first I was afraid, I was petrified Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side But then I spent so many nights Thinking how you did me wrong And I grew strong I learned how to get along And so you're back From outer space I just walked in to find you here With that sad look upon your face I should have changed that stupid lock I should have made you leave your key If I had known just for one second You'd be back to bother me Go on now go Walk out the door Just turn around now Cause you're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye? Did you think I'd crumble? Did you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no, not I I will survive As long as I know how to love I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give And I'll survive I will survive Hey, hey
Eric Widera 3:24
That was wonderful.
Alex Smith 3:25
That's such a fun song. That's a great one.
Luigi Paraventi 3:29
It is a great
Eric Widera 3:30
song.
Alex Smith 3:30
Thank
Eric Widera 3:31
you,
Alex Smith 3:31
Laura.
Eric Widera 3:32
So, Alex, I always love podcasts where we talk about something maybe a little bit debatable, which is contentious. You brought this up as a podcast for me. Why did this come up?
Alex Smith 3:45
This came up because I was in Cleveland Clinic doing Grand Rounds. I was there and at University Hospitals. I had a great visit, great day in Cleveland. And after the Grand Rounds, I had the opportunity to meet with the palliative care clinicians and the fellows. And I said, what do you want to talk about? What's an important issue? What should we do a podcast about? And Laura Shoemaker said, I want to talk about survivorship. And you told a story about why that's... And if you could share that story with our listeners by way of starting out, that'd be great.
Laura Shoemaker 4:14
I did, Alex. I said, you know, well, I don't really know, but there's this thing I've been thinking about and I'm wondering if others are thinking about it. For, I don't know, six to 12 months ago, I was sitting in a Cancer Institute leadership meeting and we're running through the topics of the agenda and survivorship came up and, you know, I'm politely listening to others.

Why did the hosts choose “I Will Survive” and how does it relate to cancer survivorship?

Laura Shoemaker 4:35
And one of the leaders in the room said, well, I don't know, that's Laura's area of expertise. What are you going to do, Laura?
Alex Smith 4:43
And you thought, wait,
Laura Shoemaker 4:46
what? I laughed out loud because I was a bit shocked, you know, kind

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8 chapters
1 What is the main focus of the episode and who are the expert guests? 0:00–4:35 2 Why did the hosts choose “I Will Survive” and how does it relate to cancer survivorship? 4:35–10:28 3 How did the idea of discussing survivorship originate from a Cleveland Clinic Grand Rounds meeting? 10:28–17:16 4 What is the NCI/NIH definition of a cancer survivor and why does it matter for palliative care? 17:16–23:37 5 Why do the guests argue that palliative care should own survivorship care? 23:37–29:22 6 What are the practical and workforce challenges that limit palliative care from covering all survivorship needs? 29:22–34:49 7 If you had a magic wand, what changes would you make to survivorship and palliative care today? 34:49–40:24 8 How do the hosts wrap up the discussion and what are the key take‑aways for listeners? 40:24–47:30

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Alex Smith 12 min Eric Widera 8 min

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