Social Workers as Leaders on Palliative Care Teams: A Podcast with Barbara Jones
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest?
The Jerry Pal Podcast is brought to you by Archstone Foundation. Archstone Foundation, improving the health and well-being of older Californians and their caregivers.
And supported by listeners like you, many of whom have donated on the Jerry Pal fundraising site, which you can find at www.jerrypal.org, big blue button, or through reviews, stars on your favorite podcasting app. Big thank you. Welcome to the Jerry Pal podcast. This is Eric Guadera.
This is Alex Smith.
And Alex, who do we have with us today?
We are honored to be joined by Barbara Jones, who is professor and associate dean for health affairs at the School of Social Work at UT Austin and chair of the Department of Health Social Work at Dell Medical School. Welcome to the Jerry Pal podcast, Barbara.
I am glad to be here with you.
And the list of accolades would just continue and continue. Can I
just
acknowledge one founding board member of Swippen? Is that right?
Yes. Pretty proud of that one. Yes. How long
ago is that?
Oh, I think it was 2013. Now my Swippen friends will get mad at me if I got that wrong, but I think it was 2013.
Wow.
I see another familiar face, Alex.
Yes, Ann Kelley, who is a palliative care social worker who has been a frequent guest host on this podcast and for a long time did the introductory voice of the podcast. Welcome back, Ann.
Hi, thanks for having me. And thanks to Barbara for giving me the opportunity to be a SWPPN member. Yay.
So we got a lot to talk about today. A lot of this is going to be revolving around social workers as leaders in hospice and palliative care. But before we dive into that topic, we always ask our guests, do you have a song request for Alex? Barbara?
I do have a song request, yes. So I would like to hear You Gotta Be by Desiree.
And why this song?
You know, this is just a great, this is actually a great leadership song because she talks about you've got to be strong. You've got to be bold. You've got to be calm. And she sort of ends with love will lead the way. So that, that sums up my leadership style right
there. That's great. All right. There's no guitar in this song, but we're going to try adding some guitar and we're going to see what it sounds like. Here we go.
Cool.
Listen as your day unfolds. Challenge what the future holds. Try and keep your head up to the sky. Lovers, they may cause you tears Go ahead, release your fears Stand up and be counted Don't be ashamed to cry You gotta be You gotta be bad You gotta be bold You gotta be wiser You gotta be hard You gotta be tough You gotta be stronger You gotta be cool You gotta be calm You gotta stay together All I know, all I know is love will save the day.
Okay. That was like one of the biggest challenges. I
love it.
You know, I loved it. I've never thought about that song from the perspective actually of social work leadership. And as you were singing, I was like, yeah, that's actually pretty much perfect right there. So that little bundle of words is sums it up. Thank you for that.
Hi, Barbara. So in preparation for this, I read a couple articles about social work leadership in palliative care. One of them came to mind was Jason Davidson, who's out of the UK, works at Mercury Hospice as a researcher and a leader. And the title of his article is, Does Culture of Modern-Day Palliative Care Social Work Leave Room for Leadership? where he interviewed six leaders in palliative care, five of the six were social workers. And I'm just going to give you one quote from one of the leaders, and I just would love to hear your reaction to it. I don't know if this person was a social worker or not, and this is not me who's saying this. Here's the quote. Cicely Saunders conceived the idea of palliative care when she was a social worker, but then had to become a doctor to make it happen.
What's your reaction to that
quote? My first reaction is, word, that's really what happened. When you think about leadership and we think about healthcare, we still live in a healthcare system that has a hierarchy. And so there are different levels of power within our healthcare system.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest?
0:02–5:30
2
How does Barbara describe the role of social workers as leaders in palliative‑care teams?
5:30–11:20
3
Why is shared leadership important and how can power be distributed on interdisciplinary teams?
11:20–17:54
4
What does the evidence say about social workers’ presence in palliative‑care research studies?
17:54–22:40
5
How can a “flipped” model that puts social work first improve patient‑centered care?
22:40–28:20
6
What impact has the Social Work in Hospice and Palliative Care Network (SWHPN) had on leadership development?
28:20–33:28
7
What future changes does Barbara hope to see for social work leadership in health‑care systems?
33:28–40:24
8
How do primary palliative‑care social work and real‑world stories (like the Ativan incident) illustrate the field’s value?
40:24–46:42
Speakers
3 identifiedMore from GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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