Chapter 1: What unique roles does Dr. Anna Greka hold in biomedical research?
Well, hello, this is Eric Topol from Ground Trust, and I am really delighted to welcome today Anna Greca. Anna is the president of the American Society for Clinical Investigation this year, ASCI, a very prestigious organization.
But she's also at Mass General Brigham, a nephrologist, a cell biologist, a physician scientist, a core member of the Broad Institute and the executive leadership team, Harvard, MIT. So she's got a lot. We got a lot to talk about all these different things you do. You must be pretty darn unique, Anna, because I don't know any cell biologists, nephrologists, physician scientists like you.
Oh, thank you. It's a great honor to be here and glad to chat with you, Eric.
Yeah, well, I had the real pleasure to hear you speak at a November conference, the AI for Science Forum, which we'll link to your panel, where I was in a different panel, but you spoke about your extraordinary work in it.
it became clear that we need to get you on ground truth so you can tell your story to everybody so i thought rather than kind of going back from the past where you were in greece and somehow migrated to boston and all that well we're going to get to that but i thought what you um you gave an amazing ted talk uh last year and it really encapsulated one of the many
phenomenal stories of your work as a molecular sleuth. So maybe if you could give us a synopsis, and of course, we'll link to that so people could watch the whole talk. But I think that Mucin 1 or MUC 1, as you call it, discovery is really important to kind of ground our discussion.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's an interesting story.
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Chapter 2: How did a family from Cyprus contribute to the understanding of rare kidney diseases?
In some ways, you know, in my TED talk, I highlight one of the important families of this story, a family from Utah. But there's also other important families that are also part of the story. And this is also what I spoke about in London when we were together. And this is really a sort of a medical mystery that initially started on the Mediterranean island of Cyprus.
where it was found that there were many families in which in every generation, several members suffered and ultimately died from what at the time was a mysterious kidney disease. This was more than 30 years ago. And, you know, it was clear that there was something genetic going on, but it was impossible to identify the gene.
And then even with the advent of next gen sequencing, this is what's so interesting about this story. It was still hard to find the gene, which is a little surprising, right? You know, after we were able to sequence, you know, families and identify sort of monogenic mutations pretty readily, this was still very resistant. And then it actually took the firepower of the Broad Institute.
And it's actually from a scientific perspective, an interesting story because they had to dust off the old fashioned Sanger sequencing in order to get this done. But they were ultimately able to identify this mutation in a VNTR region of the MUC1 gene, the Mucin-1 gene, which I call a dark corner of the human genome.
You know, it was really, it's highly repetitive, very GC-rich, so it becomes very difficult to sequence through there with next-gen sequencing. And so ultimately, the mutation, of course, was found.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the MUC1 gene in kidney disease?
And it's a single cytosine insertion in a stretch of cytosines that sort of causes this frame shift mutation and then early stop codon that essentially results in a neoprotein, like a toxic, what I call a mangled protein that sort of accumulates inside the kidney cells. And that's where my sort of adventure began.
It was Eric Lander's group, who is the founding director of the Broad, who discovered the mutation. And then through a conversation we had here in Boston, we sort of discovered that there was an opportunity to collaborate. And so that's how I came to the Broad. That's the beginnings of this story.
I think what's fascinating about this story, though, that starts in a remote Mediterranean island and then turns out to be a disease that you can find in every continent all over the world. There are probably millions of patients with kidney disease in whom we haven't recognized the existence of this mutation.
What's really interesting about it, though, is that, you know, what we discovered is that the mangled protein that's a result of this misspelling of this mutation is ultimately captured by a family of cargo receptors. They call the team cargo receptors. And they end up sort of grabbing these misfolded proteins and holding onto them so tight that it's impossible for the cell to get rid of them.
And sort of they become this growing, you know, heap of molecular trash, if you will, that becomes really hard to manage and the cells ultimately die. So in the process of doing this molecular sleuthing, as I call it, we actually also identified a small molecule that actually disrupts these cargo receptors.
And, you know, as I described in my TED talk, it's a little bit like having these cargo trucks that ultimately need to go into the lysosome, the cell's recycling facility.
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Chapter 4: What innovative approaches are being used to tackle rare genetic diseases?
And this is exactly what this small molecule can do. And so we were you know, it was just like a remarkable story of discovery. And then I think the most exciting of all is that these cargo receptors turn out to be not only relevant to this one mangled misshapen protein, but they actually handle
a completely different misshapen protein caused by different genetic mutation in the eye causing retinitis pigmentosa, a form of blindness, familial blindness. We are now studying familial Alzheimer's disease that's also involving these cargo receptors. And there are other mangled misshapen proteins in the liver, in the lung that we're now studying.
So this becomes what I call a node, like a nodal mechanism that can be targeted for the benefit of many more patients than we had previously thought possible, which has been, I think, the most satisfying part about this story of molecular sleuthing.
Yeah, and it's pretty extraordinary. We'll put the figure from your classic cell paper, 2019, where you have a small molecule that targets the cargo receptor called Tmed9, I guess. And what's amazing about this, of course, is the potential to reverse this toxic protein disease. And as you say, it may have applicability well beyond
of this MUC1 kidney story, but rather eye disease with retinosis, retinosis pigmentosa and the familial Alzheimer's and who knows what else. And what's also fascinating about this is how, as you said, you know, there were these limited number of families with the kidney disease. And then you found another one, uromedulin, I guess.
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Chapter 5: How does the Ladders to Cures Accelerator aim to advance research?
Yes. So there's now you know, as you say, thousands of families. That gets me to part of your sleuth work is not just, you know, hardcore science. You started an entity called the Ladders to Cure Accelerate. Tell us about that, because this is really pulling together all the forces, which includes the patient advocacy groups and how we're going to move forward like this.
Absolutely. I think, you know, the goal of the Ladders to Cures Accelerator, which is a new initiative that we started at the Broad, but it really encompasses many colleagues across Boston and now increasingly it's becoming sort of a national. We even have some international collaborations and it's only two years that it's been in existence. So we're certainly in a growth mode.
But the inspiration was really some of this molecular sleuthing work where I basically thought, Well, for starters, it cannot be that there's only one molecular node, these T-Med cargo receptors that we discovered. There's got to be more, right?
And so there's a need, you know, to systematically go and find more nodes because obviously, you know, as anyone who works in rare genetic diseases will tell you, The problem for all of us is that we do what I call hand-to-hand combat.
Chapter 6: What role does AI play in modern biomedical research?
Like we start with the disease with one mutation and we try to uncover the mechanism and then try to develop therapies. And that's wonderful, but of course it's slow, right?
And if we consider the fact that there are, you know, 30 million patients in the United States, in every state, everywhere in the country who suffer from a rare genetic disease, most of them, more than half of them are children. Then, you know, we can appreciate the magnitude of the problem.
Out of more than 8,000 genes that are involved in rare genetic diseases, we barely have something that looks like a therapy for maybe 500 of them. So there's a huge mismatch in the unmet need and magnitude of the problem. So the ladder secures accelerator is here to address this and to do this with the most modern tools available.
And to your point, Eric, to bring patients along, not just as the recipients of whatever we discover, but also as partners in the research enterprise, because it's really important to bring their perspectives. And of course, their partnerships in things like, you know, developing appropriate biomarkers, for example, for what we do down the road.
But from a fundamental scientific perspective, this is basically a project that aims to identify every opportunity for nodes underlying all rare genetic diseases as quickly as possible. And this was one of the reasons I was there at the AI for Science Forum because, of course, when one undertakes a project in which you're basically
This is what we're trying to do in the ladder secures accelerator, introduce dozens of thousands of missense and nonsense human mutations that cause genetic diseases, simultaneously introduce them into multiple human cells, and then use modern scalable technology tools, things like
CRISPR screens, massively parallel CRISPR screens, to try to interrogate all of these diseases in parallel, identify the nodes, and then develop, of course, therapeutic programs based on the discovery of these nodes. This is a massive data generation project that is much needed.
In addition to the fact that it will help hopefully accelerate our approach to all rare diseases, genetic diseases, it is also a highly controlled cell perturbation dataset that will require the most modern tools in AI,
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Chapter 7: How can patient advocacy enhance the research process?
not only to extract the data and understand the data of this data set, but also because this, again, extremely controlled, well-controlled cell perturbation data set can be used to train models, train AI models, so that in the future, and I hope this doesn't sound too futuristic, but I think that we're all aiming for that.
Cell biologists for sure dream of this moment, I think, when we can actually have in silico, the opportunity to make predictions about what cell behaviors are gonna look like based on a new perturbation that was not in the training set.
So an experiment that hasn't yet been done on a cell, a perturbation that has not been made on a human cell, what if, like a new drug, for example, or a new kind of perturbation, a new chemical perturbation, How would it affect the behavior of the cell? Can we make a predictive model for that?
This doesn't exist today, but I think this is something, the cell prediction model is a big question for biology for the future. And so I'm very energized by the opportunity to both address this problem of rare monogenic diseases that remains an unmet need and help as many patients as possible, while at the same time advancing biology as much as we possibly can.
So, you know, it's kind of like a win-win, lifting all boats type of enterprise, hopefully.
Yeah, well, there's many things to get to to unpack what you've just been reviewing. So one thing for sure is that of these 8,000 monogenic diseases, they have relevance to the polygenic common diseases, of course. Of course.
And then also the fact that the people that the patient family advocates, they are great at scurrying the world internet, finding more people, bringing together communities with each of these, as you point out aptly, These rare diseases cumulatively are a very high proportion, 10% of Americans or more.
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Chapter 8: What challenges do physician-scientists face in their careers?
So they're not so rare when you think about the overall.
Collectively.
Yeah. Now, and of course, there's this toxic proteinopathies. There's at least 50 of these. And the point that people have been thinking until now that, oh, we found the mangled protein. But what you've zeroed in on is that, hey, you know what? It's not just the mangled proteins. It's how it gets stuck in the cell and that it can't get to the lysozymes to get rid of it. There's no waste system.
And so this is such fundamental work. Now, that gets me to the virtual cell story, kind of what you're getting into. I just had a conversation with Charlotte Bond and Steve Quake, who published a paper in December on the virtual cell. And of course, that's... many years off.
But of course, it's a big, bold, you know, ambitious project to be able to say, as you just summarized, if you had cells in silico and you could do perturbations in silico. And of course, they were validated by actual experiments or, you know, bidirectionally that the experiments, the real ones helped validate the virtual cell. But then you could get
A true acceleration of your understanding of cell biology, your field, of course. What you described, is it the same as a virtual cell? Is it kind of a precursor to it? How do you conceive this? Because this is such a complex... I mean, it is the fundamental unit of life, but it's also so much more complex than a protein or an RNA because...
not only all the things inside the cell, inside all these organelles and nucleus, but then there's all the outside interactions. So, this is a bold challenge, right?
Oh, my God, it's absolutely, you know, from a biologist perspective, it's the challenge of a generation for sure. You know, we think, you know, taking humans to Mars, you know, I mean, that's an aspirational sort of big, you know, big ambitious goal. I think this is the, if you will, the Mars shot for biology, you know, like being able to, you know,
Whether you, you know, the terminology, whether you call it a virtual cell, I like the idea of sort of saying that this, to state it as a problem, you know, the way that people who think about it from a mathematics perspective, for example, would think about it. I think stating it as the cell prediction problem appeals to me because it actually forces us biologists to think about
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