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Guru: Don't Cross Kat

What to Listen to Next: Twin Flames

Mon, 05 May 2025

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We all want love, that happily-ever-after feeling of finding your soulmate. What if someone not only claimed they could help you find that perfect partner, they guaranteed it? Jeff and Shaleia, a young couple famous on YouTube, teach about ‘Twin Flames' — a deep, romantic connection with your perfect partner in their videos. It’s divine love, you’re designed for no one else, and they’re designed for no one else. But the path to finding your Twin Flame isn’t so simple. Some followers claim they were encouraged to cut ties with friends and family that are holding them back, and to claim their Twin Flame by any means necessary. From Wondery, Twin Flames is a podcast about what happens when the quest for love turns into a dangerous obsession. Hosted by Stephanie Beatriz.Listen to Twin Flames ad-free on Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/twin-flames/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Chapter 1: What is the main theme of Twin Flames?

0.429 - 21.161 Stephanie Beatriz

We want to send a big thank you to everyone who listened to Don Cross Cat. On behalf of everyone on the team, we're so grateful that you've taken this journey with us. As you just heard, Cat Torres used spiritual awakening to lure followers into her web of control. But she's not the only one using promises of enlightenment to manipulate people.

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21.761 - 41.185 Stephanie Beatriz

We have another podcast that dwells into a similar world of false promises and control. It's called Twin Flames. Meet Jeff and Shalia, a couple who claim they can guarantee you'll find your soulmate. Your twin flame. It's divine love. You're designed for no one else. And they're designed for no one else.

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41.785 - 58.512 Stephanie Beatriz

But like Kat's followers, those seeking their twin flames soon find themselves in a treacherous path. Some followers allege they were encouraged to cut ties with friends and family that were holding them back. They were also pushed to claim their Twin Flames through any means necessary.

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58.992 - 79.746 Stephanie Beatriz

By the time some members are able to leave the group, they claim they don't even recognize themselves and fear for their safety. I'm about to play you an episode of Twin Flames, so stay tuned. Follow Twin Flames on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Wondery Plus members can binge all seven episodes of Twin Flames ad-free right now.

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80.247 - 87.353 Stephanie Beatriz

If you don't already have a Wondery Plus membership, you can start your free trial by clicking the link in the episode description today.

88.774 - 97.241 Announcement Voice

You're listening ad-free with Wondery Plus. A listener note. This episode contains adult content and language. This may not be suitable for all listeners.

103.206 - 118.259 Narrator

It was July 2019, Toronto. An average hotel meeting room. Beige carpet, rows of gray chairs, a platform at the front. Dozens of people milled around waiting. Among them was Victoria Bonilla.

118.519 - 128.125 Victoria Bonilla

This was my first time meeting anybody from this group. And it was such an interesting experience because everybody was so awkward.

128.325 - 133.509 Narrator

People gathered in groups. Some fumbled through small talk. Others stared at their phones.

Chapter 2: Who are Jeff and Shalia?

228.576 - 228.936 Shalia

I have.

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232.499 - 241.266 Narrator

Jeff smiled. The audience was eating out of their hands. As the speech neared its climax, Jeff closed his eyes, suddenly serious.

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242.206 - 266.155 Jeff

I'll give you the tools, if you haven't received them already, to feel good any time you feel bad. Isn't that powerful? To be able to feel good any time you want? And then when you feel the good thing, it can manifest as good things. Make your twin flame in harmonious union.

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266.856 - 287.281 Narrator

He promised to give the audience a secret. The secret of finding your twin flame. Perfect partner. Soulmate. The ultimate lover. But that wasn't all he promised that weekend. He was going to show them how to get the perfect career. A beautiful home. A fat bank account. A Corvette.

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287.822 - 300.809 Jeff

All of it is yours. Everything. Everything. Everything you desire. Follow me. Follow me.

302.873 - 312.841 Victoria Bonilla

I just kind of remember feeling, like, I don't want to say I felt high, but it kind of, yeah, I mean, for lack, I was just like, this is, wow, like, I just feel like I'm in another dimension right now.

313.522 - 328.474 Jeff

You, too, can have your twin flame. You, too, can have harmonious union forever. Join us. Thank you, and take care. Thank you, everyone.

333.1 - 346.964 Victoria Bonilla

The audience was on their feet. Victoria was among them. And I was just like, this is such a momentous occasion for me. Like, this is such a breakthrough. And I'm like, oh my God, the miracle's going to happen any day now. I'm like, this is it.

347.484 - 351.226 Narrator

No one in that room could have predicted what Jeff's promises really meant.

Chapter 3: What happens at a Twin Flames workshop?

955.293 - 964.178 Jeff

This is not a fantasy. God created you to be with your twin flame. You were created together at the same moment. It's not some special thing.

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965.098 - 975.144 Narrator

Not only is every single person created with a twin flame, but they are destined to find and achieve perfect union with that unique and special person.

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975.785 - 982.487 Jeff

Here's the secret. Everyone has a twin flame. Yes, you. You have a twin flame who you're designed for.

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982.927 - 994.17 Shalia

You don't need to settle. And when it comes to your twin flame union, this is the person that you're meant to be with for all of eternity. And to be without your twin flame is suffering.

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994.91 - 1000.232 Narrator

That described how Angie was feeling exactly. Without Ron, she felt she was suffering.

1000.64 - 1004.703 Angie Moggy

You know, as I was watching their videos and just really resonating more and more and more with them.

1004.843 - 1013.549 Narrator

For the first time in a long time, Angie felt like she had some understanding of what was going on between her and Ron. And like she had some hope.

1013.749 - 1017.732 Angie Moggy

I felt very, very strongly that Ron is my twin flame.

1018.092 - 1028.58 Jeff

People and clients keep coming back to us again and again and again and again because they get results with our work. And you can too if you apply it.

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