Anthropic’s Cybersecurity Shock Wave + Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on Their Sam Altman Investigation + One Good Thing
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Has this ever happened to you? No, because they know I'm not straight. With a straight guy, you don't need to ask them. You just get the standard haircut that a man gets. He one-shotted my hair. He said, yeah, I've seen this before. I know what I'm doing here. Whereas if I walk in, it's like, okay, let me get out the schematics. it's also like not a barber that i've been to a lot so like it's not like he knew me see this is exactly is like the fact that you just go to random barbers and will accept whoever happens to be this is why they can just start cutting your hair oh who is yeah i know i don't know this person yeah do whatever the hell you want see if i care yeah that is the straight approach to hair but it's working great for you thank you yeah appreciate it
I'm Kevin Roos, a tech columnist at the New York Times. I'm Casey Noon from Platformer. And this is Hard Fork. This week, the dangerous new AI model that has cybersecurity experts on high alert. Then, New Yorker writers Ronan Farrow and Andrew Morant join us to discuss their spicy new profile of Sam Altman. And finally, it's time for one good thing.
Although I guess really there are two things in the segment. Yeah, we should really rename the segment. Okay. Okay.
Casey, we have a big announcement. Kevin, what is the announcement? We're ending the show. No. You're finally free, America. Yes. No, on June 10th in San Francisco, we are doing the second ever installment of Hard Fork Live. It's too fast, it's too furious, and it's happening. I tried to get them to let me call it Too Hard, Too Fork, but they decided that was not appropriate. Okay.
Kevin, where can people get more information about Hard Fork Live 2?
Okay. It's happening on June 10th in San Francisco at the Blue Shield of California Theater. Bigger venue than last year. Tickets will be on sale at nytimes.com slash events. Not today, but next Friday, April 17th.
So we're giving you a full week to get your act together, reach out to all your friends, use Meta AI to plan a trip to California. Yeah.
Use cloud code to build your scraper bots to scoop up all the tickets.
And on Friday the 17th, you can buy tickets. Yes. And we will just say in advance, last year, the tickets did sell very quickly.
They did. So get in there quickly if you want to go.
There would be more tickets available, but Kevin reserves 50 for quote his team, which I don't even know what all these people are doing at this point, but they'll be there. Say hi to them too.
So get your tickets next Friday, April 17th at nytimes.com slash events. Well, Casey, as you know, on this podcast, we have a rule about discussing AI models called ship it or zip it.
Ship it or zip it. Unless you're actually putting it in people's hands, we usually do not want to hear about it.
Yes, but today we are making an exception for the new anthropic model, Claude Mythos Preview, that just was announced, but not released for reasons that we will talk about. But first, since this will be a segment... and a show about AI are disclosures. I work for the New York Times, suing OpenAI, Microsoft, and Perplexity over alleged copyright violations.
And my fiance works at Anthropic.
Casey, this is, I want to say, like the biggest story of the year in AI. I know there's been a lot of AI news. I know that people are probably saying, oh, here they go talking about another model again. I am telling you, this is something that people need to be paying attention to because of the implications, because of the way it was rolled out, and because of the model itself, which we will get to all of that.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–18:10
2
What is Anthropic’s Project Glasswing and why did the company withhold Mythos from public release?
18:10–26:50
3
Which companies are in the Mythos consortium and how will access be used for defensive cybersecurity?
26:50–28:51
4
How did Anthropic claim Mythos discovered long‑standing zero‑day vulnerabilities like the OpenBSD and FFmpeg flaws?
28:51–1:01:08
5
Could Mythos force a global software rewrite — what are the best‑ and worst‑case security scenarios?
1:01:08–1:06:13
Speakers
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