Can We Build a Better Social Network?
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Well, Casey, we've got something different for Hard Fork listeners today. We are dropping in a special Tuesday episode, and this is an episode that we've been working on for a very long time. We're very excited to bring it to our listeners.
It might be, Kevin, the first episode in the history of Hard Fork that took more than one week to make.
In fact, it took more than one year to make. So more than a year ago, we started chatting with friend of the pod, PJ Vogt, the host of the great Search Engine podcast, which both of us have been on. PJ's been on Hard Fork as well. And we started talking about this experiment that we wanted to run together, the three of us. And so today's episode describes the results of that experiment, and it involves the Fediverse.
That's right, Kevin. And honestly, it kind of started as a joke. You'll hear it in the episode. But based on the response that they got over there, it kicked off more than a year of reporting and getting together in person, clowning around. And we're just so pleased to be able to present to you today the adventure that we've been on.
Yes. And we should say Search Engine did most of the work to string this all together so nicely. They produced this episode. We are sharing it in our feed because we think you'll all be interested. But this is really the results of one of the most fun experiments that I personally have done in the past year or so.
Yeah. And it truly is just a great way, if you have not yet heard Search Engine, to listen to what they do. They are master craftspeople of the podcasting forum. And if you haven't checked them out yet, I think you're really going to enjoy what they do.
Yes. Many people are saying that Search Engine is America's second best technology podcast.
What problem with today’s social media inspired this Fediverse experiment?
And I should say, I agree.
All right. Well, to kick the story off, Kevin, let's kick things over to our good friend, PJ Vogt.
Thank you.
Hello, and welcome to a new year. Search engines, big resolution for 2026. We are looking at ways the internet could actually be fixed. The problems with our internet are so well-known, it feels dumb to summarize them. Like, who is the person left alive who needs me to explain to them that our 2026 internet is dominated by a few social media platforms who are brilliant at harvesting our attention by appealing to our worst instincts? We all know this. We've all experienced the kind of gooner's remorse after we've spent more time than we meant to mindlessly thumbing a feed that makes us feel worse about ourselves, our friends, the world. So it's cliche to complain about this problem that's only gotten worse for the last decade.
But this week, this year, we're talking about it because we are curious about solutions, even possibly quixotic ones. And in that spirit, I actually want to revisit a moment that an earlier, maybe more cynical version of me tried to brush past on our show. It first came up on air way back in May of 2024. I was interviewing Casey Newton, co-host of the Hard Fork podcast, the writer behind Platformer. We were having a depressingly familiar conversation about the internet. And I asked Casey whether there was anything hopeful around the corner, anything that made him feel optimistic.
I have the best, worst, dorkiest answer to that question, PJ, which is that we have to finish building the Fediverse. Really? Yes! You mean like... So, okay, the Fediverse. You're already so upset that I'm making you talk about this, and that's fine.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:15
2
What problem with today’s social media inspired this Fediverse experiment?
2:15–13:25
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How did the hosts first describe and explain the Fediverse to listeners?
13:25–41:51
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Why did the team decide to actually build a Fediverse server instead of just reporting on it?
41:51–43:22
Speakers
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