How can we experience joy when there is so much suffering? Doug Abrams, co-author of the New York Times Best Seller, The Book of Joy, along side Nobel Peace Prize Laureates, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, sits down with Maria to answer questions like this. Doug discusses the lessons he learned first hand from his time with the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu, who have survived more than fifty years of exile and oppression, and yet despite their hardships—or, as they would say, because of them—are two of the most joyful people on the planet. Doug is an author, editor, and literary agent who has written books with Desmond Tutu for over a decade. His books have been credited with convincing then-President Bill Clinton to stop genocide and for launching the modern anti-slavery movement. He is also the founder of Idea Architects, a book and media company that works with visionary authors to create a wiser, healthier, and more just world. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/better-together-w-maria/support

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