#67 Jenna
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What happened when Jenna was taken from her mother at age four?
Pushkin.
Jackie.
Hi honey. Where why are you calling me from FaceTime?
Well, you know, it's the uh it's the first episode of the new season, season ten, and I thought it might be a fun way to mix things up a little.
Um Sorry, I'm eating a bowl of soup.
Where are you right now?
Uh I'm at um I'm at a nursing home.
So you're having some nursing home cafeteria soup?
No, my own soup. No, no.
You brought it with you?
I bring it in a thermos. Yeah, it's a storm outside. I always carry a
Service of soup. Do you wear it around your neck like a Saint Bernard?
Not gonna laugh 'cause I'm I'm in a public place. Can't call me back,
yeah, yeah.
Goodbye. Ooh.
Pick me up some hard candy from the gift shop.
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My girls' rooms are here.
So neat.
Oiza's room. She's got a cello and a ukulele. Um she would correct me and she would say it's an ukulele mama.
If love means doing anything for your family, then Jenna's kids truly know the meaning of love. For what, if not love, is listening to hours of amateur ukulele, or ukulele. The childhood Jenna's giving her kids is quite different from the one she had. But Jenna's mom would have done anything for Jenna too. Oftentimes, though, there wasn't a lot she could do. Growing up, it was just the two of them. Jenna and her mom.
And my mom was incredibly lovely. She absolutely loved me. And she also had paranoid schizophrenia.
This meant periods of instability, times when Jenna and her mom lived in cars or homeless shelters. It meant cooking them both dinner when her mother was having an episode. And importantly, it meant always being on the lookout for child protective services.
Anytime I saw anyone in a nice outfit or w driving a nice car, I would hide. One of my very first memories was being like physically taken away from my mom by CPS workers.
How old were you, do you think?
I think it was like four or five.
What do you remember of it?
Um I remember the feeling of panic and terror. I remember the look on my mother's face. I remember like the physical pulling away.
That separation lasted a few weeks. Jenna's biggest fear was being separated for good.
In the second grade that fear came true. Jenna was in school when she heard her name being called over the PA. She was told to go to the principal's office. When she got there, a social worker was waiting. The social worker told her she wouldn't be returning home. Instead, she was to be placed in long term foster care. Jenna knew there must have been some incident with her mom. But no one would tell her what.
Eight years old, like adults are just not interested in telling you anything. And I got into a stranger's car and drove having no idea. Who I was going to meet.
Do you remember if you had any belongings with you?
My backpack.
From school.
My backpack and the clothes that I was wearing.
The social worker drove further and further into rural Georgia.
I remember going it going through my head of well maybe that's gonna be my new house as we were like driving by houses. Or maybe that one's gonna be my house or I hope it's nice.
Finally, they came to a farmhouse by a pond. A tall blonde woman emerged and introduced herself as Ronda Grizzle. Rhonda would be Jenna's new foster mom. Jenna says the first thing Rhonda did was sit her down on the screened in porch to talk.
The only thing that I remember about that conversation was that Rhonda turned to me and said, Is it okay if we call you Jenny?
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What happened when Jenna was taken from her mother at age four?
0:06–12:02
2
How did Jenna end up in the Grizzle foster family and what was life like there?
12:02–23:19
3
Why did the Grizzles decide to adopt Jenna and then change their minds?
23:19–29:05
4
What role did Jenna’s biological mother’s discovery of her whereabouts play in the separation?
29:05–33:57
5
How did Jenna’s time with the Rays family affect her sense of belonging?
33:57–40:16