Chapter 1: What personal experiences led to the discussion about ICE in Minneapolis?
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Chapter 2: What was the emotional impact of witnessing an ICE raid?
I stayed home with Augie and some of his friends came over. And, you know, throughout the day, we would be playing, or the kids would be playing, and they would just, they'd be fine. And then they would say, it's so sad, like, this is so sad that I murdered somebody.
This is what Augie's friends were saying.
Yeah, yeah. And I actually have a really clear memory that day. We were working with the hot glue gun and Julian somehow cut his hand. And the concern that they all just sort of rallied around him and were so worried about his hand.
Julian? Yeah. He's like the Mr. Tough Guy.
I know. And then there was this moment after I bandaged it up that we all, and I've never had a moment with the boys like this, where we all sort of like hugged each other. The boys went for this? They allowed this? Yeah. And I do think it was just like this moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight, you know, that it just allowed us to have this moment of coming together.
It was really beautiful. Wow. Wow. I mean, everything is completely overwhelming, but you still have to eat. You still have to walk the dog. And, you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I was laying in bed, and Nagi came in wearing a captain's hat and a suit jacket and started rapping about yachts.
Yachts. I want one for my birthday. Yachts. I can get a cookie vacay. Yachts. They're really great. Yachts.
It was all about going on yachts and having cookie vacays.
God, I would love a cookie vacay right now.
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Chapter 3: How did the community respond to the shooting of Renee Good?
And when we see the kids, We just start screaming... Shame on you! Shame on you. I'm a mom. You know, like, shame on you is the words that come to mind. And we're yelling, you know, they're kids, and... Sorry, this is going to be the hardest part for me. So everything escalated, I should just say first, like everything escalated very quickly.
It just becomes chaos where ICE agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them, you know, they have them down on the ground. I can't even describe the feeling where like literally three feet from me I see a man like just a Minneapolis guy on the ground and an agent just pepper spraying him straight in the face from three inches away.
And I mean every part of you just wants to run and just like tackle that guy but you know you can't. And so you just yell, because what else do you do? But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that, you just feel so powerless.
Are you okay?
So I'm standing on the corner and they're trying to get this car to go, this woman in a car. And there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was just chaos. And they're screaming at her. There's like 15 agents, you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her. All of a sudden, they break her passenger side window. Then they go around to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car.
And she's screaming. And then they've just got her by all fours. and start carrying her away, and then I see that they have a white-haired man that they are carrying by all fours, and they open the back door of a black SUV and literally, like, stuff him in. That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry. So they stuff him into the vehicle, and then...
And then the first, I just hear a bunch of like, pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa. And I figure out that these are, I guess, what are flashbangs? And then smoke just starts to pour out. Smoke all over. And then it hits your throat first and it starts to burn and you're starting to cough and you're like, ooh, that's strong. And then it hits your face, the skin on your face, and then your eyes start to burn.
And for a second you're like, oh, this hurts, but it's okay. And then each second that passes, you're just like, oh, it's not okay. Oh, it's really not okay. And then you're just like... fucked. And then I just can't really move. I'm doubled over. And I grabbed a fistful of snow to put on my eyes, and I can't see in any way.
And then I just feel like a hand reach out for me and grabs my hand, and they start to just guide me away. out of the gas. And there's a guy there wearing a bandana. And he says, this is my house. This is my house. It's the most Minnesotan thing of all time. We walk in the house. None of us can even see, really. And he says, I'm sorry it's so messy in here. Oh, thank you.
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Chapter 4: What challenges does Yamilis face after the ICE shooting?
It's the only gap in the Pan-American Highway. No road, not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police. Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of all the places they traveled through, Yemelis says the parts of Mexico controlled by the cartels were the scariest.
She describes how while trying to avoid the immigration authorities, her family escaped into the forest.
So three armed men came kind of out of the trees. They said, nothing's going to happen. Give us your money.
Give us your phones.
Yo le dije, ni dinero ni telƩfono tengo.
I said, I don't have money or phone.
Yamilis gestures towards her 12-year-old daughter who's sitting on the couch.
Ella llorĆ³ porque veĆa las pistolas.
She cried because she saw the guns.
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Chapter 5: How did Yamilis and her family escape political persecution?
Did it hurt your eyes?
I didn't like it.
They hit the door, they hit the door.
Hard. Emilie says her grandson keeps talking about that night. He still has nightmares.
He sleeps with me, and I hear when he wakes up at night, crying, crying.
Mom, he's smaller. To flee political persecution from one country, the family underwent a death-defying journey to another country, only to be persecuted by that new country's government. Could you ever have imagined that it would get this bad, that it would get like this?
No.
The United States appeared to me a beautiful country. In its four seasons. The cold, the heat.
I like the heat more.
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