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Behaviors That Alter Your Genes to Improve Your Health & Performance | Dr. Melissa Ilardo

Mon, 26 May

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My guest is Dr. Melissa Ilardo, Ph.D., professor of biomedical informatics at the University of Utah. We discuss the interplay between genes and behaviors, including how certain behaviors can improve resilience by changing gene and organ function, as well as natural selection events happening in humans today. We also discuss the immune system–related reasons people find the smells of potential mates attractive—or not. We explore how physical and psychological traits are passed from one generation to the next, and the specific behaviors that can influence gene expression to improve health and performance. Melissa explains her lab’s pioneering research on breath-hold training and how activation of the dive reflex through breath holding can significantly improve oxygen availability by changing spleen size and function. We also delve into the medical uses and ethics of gene editing to cure disease in both babies and adults. For those interested in genes and inheritance, human performance, immune system function, and natural selection, this episode illustrates the remarkable interplay between human nature and nurture. Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Joovv: https://joovv.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman Timestamps 00:00:00 Melissa Ilardo 00:02:35 Nature vs Nurture, Gene Expression, Eye Color 00:07:06 Sponsors: Joovv & Eight Sleep 00:10:24 Epigenetics, Trauma, Mutations; Hybrid Vigor, Mate Attraction 00:15:47 Globalization; Homo Sapiens, Mating & Evolution; Mutations 00:25:28 Sea Nomads, Bajau & Moken Groups; Free Diving, Dangers & Gasp Reflex 00:32:52 Cultural Traditions, Free Diving & Families; Fishing 00:35:36 Mammalian Dive Reflex, Oxygen, Spleen, Cold Water & Face; Exercise 00:42:43 Sponsors: AG1 & LMNT 00:46:00 Free Diving, Spleen, Thyroid Hormone, Performance Enhancement 00:52:00 Dive Reflex, Immune System; Swimming & Health; Coastal Regions & Genetics 00:55:17 Female Free Divers, Haenyeo, Cold Water, Age, Protein 01:03:20 Human Evolution & Diet, Lactase, Fat 01:05:07 Korean Female Free Divers & Adaptations, Cardiovascular, Pregnancy 01:10:13 Miscarriages & Genetic Selection; Bajau, External Appearance, Mate Selection 01:17:15 Sponsor: Function 01:19:03 Free Diving, Underwater Vision; Super-Performers & Genetics 01:25:01 Cognitive Performance, Autism, Creativity; Genetic Determinism & Mindset 01:36:30 Genetics & Ethics, CRISPR, Embryo Genetic Screening 01:44:36 Admixture, Genetics; Are Humans a Single Species? 01:49:39 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the interplay between genes and behaviors?

0.39 - 5.617 Andrew Huberman

Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.

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0.39 - 25.75 Andrew Huberman

Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Dr. Melissa Alardo, professor of biomedical informatics at the University of Utah. Dr. Alardo is a world-renowned expert in human genetics and epigenetics.

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9.443 - 31.313 Andrew Huberman

I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Dr. Melissa Alardo, professor of biomedical informatics at the University of Utah. Dr. Alardo is a world-renowned expert in human genetics and epigenetics. She conducts pioneering studies on how our behavior and the environment can modify our gene expression.

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She conducts pioneering studies on how our behavior and the environment can modify our gene expression. Today marks the first time on the Huberman Lab Podcast that we really explore human genetics, epigenetics, and how behavior shapes gene expression across generations.

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Today marks the first time on the Huberman Lab Podcast that we really explore human genetics, epigenetics, and how behavior shapes gene expression across generations. We talk about the inheritance of physical traits like eye color, and we dive deep into fascinating mechanisms such as the mammalian dive reflex,

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We talk about the inheritance of physical traits like eye color, and we dive deep into fascinating mechanisms such as the mammalian dive reflex, a physiological reaction to breath holding in cold water that as Dr. Ilardo explains, can dramatically alter the physiology of your spleen to allow significant increases in red blood cell count and oxygen availability to your brain and body.

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a physiological reaction to breath holding in cold water that as Dr. Ilardo explains, can dramatically alter the physiology of your spleen to allow significant increases in red blood cell count and oxygen availability to your brain and body. And by the way, the mammalian dive reflex can be activated outside of free diving, and you can even do it at home.

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And by the way, the mammalian dive reflex can be activated outside of free diving, and you can even do it at home. We also explore how mate preference and selection in humans relates to the immune system. That is, if you were given a choice of many, many different mates, as most people are, We also explore how mate preference and selection in humans relates to the immune system.

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That is, if you were given a choice of many, many different mates, as most people are, The mate you would select is the mate who has the immune system composition that is most different from yours.

Chapter 2: How does the mammalian dive reflex affect physiology?

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And in order to wake up feeling refreshed and energized, your body temperature actually has to increase by about one to three degrees.

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And in order to wake up feeling refreshed and energized, your body temperature actually has to increase by about one to three degrees. Eight Sleep automatically regulates the temperature of your bed throughout the night according to your unique needs. I've been sleeping on an Eight Sleep mattress cover for over four years now, and it has completely transformed and improved the quality of my sleep.

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Eight Sleep automatically regulates the temperature of your bed throughout the night according to your unique needs. I've been sleeping on an Eight Sleep mattress cover for over four years now, and it has completely transformed and improved the quality of my sleep. Eight Sleep has just launched their latest model, the Pod 5, and the Pod 5 has several new important features.

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Eight Sleep has just launched their latest model, the Pod 5, and the Pod 5 has several new important features. One of these new features is called Autopilot. Autopilot is an AI engine that learns your sleep patterns to adjust the temperature of your sleeping environment across different sleep stages. It also elevates your head if you're snoring, and it makes other shifts to optimize your sleep.

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One of these new features is called Autopilot. Autopilot is an AI engine that learns your sleep patterns to adjust the temperature of your sleeping environment across different sleep stages. It also elevates your head if you're snoring, and it makes other shifts to optimize your sleep.

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The base on the Pod5 also has an integrated speaker that syncs to the Eight Sleep app and can play audio to support relaxation and recovery.

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The base on the Pod5 also has an integrated speaker that syncs to the Eight Sleep app and can play audio to support relaxation and recovery. The audio catalog includes several NSDR scripts that I worked on with Eight Sleep to Record. If you're not familiar, NSDR involves listening to an audio script that walks you through a deep body relaxation combined with some very simple breathing exercises.

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The audio catalog includes several NSDR scripts that I worked on with Eight Sleep to Record. If you're not familiar, NSDR involves listening to an audio script that walks you through a deep body relaxation combined with some very simple breathing exercises. And that combination has been shown in peer-reviewed studies to restore your mental and physical vigor.

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And that combination has been shown in peer-reviewed studies to restore your mental and physical vigor. And this is great because while we would all like to get to bed on time and get up after a perfect night's sleep, oftentimes we get to bed a little late or later. Sometimes we have to get up early and charge into the day because we have our obligations.

Chapter 3: How can certain behaviors influence gene expression?

3532.145 - 3552.369 Dr. Melissa Ilardo

We don't totally know. We don't totally know. I have my own personal theory, which actually relates to the fact that in a lot of places with cold water, so in Korea, in Patagonia, in Aboriginal Tasmania, it's all women diving. So I suspect that there's something unique about the physiology of women. um, that makes us better at diving in cold temperatures.

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3533.206 - 3552.369 Dr. Melissa Ilardo

I have my own personal theory, which actually relates to the fact that in a lot of places with cold water, so in Korea, in Patagonia, in Aboriginal Tasmania, it's all women diving. So I suspect that there's something unique about the physiology of women. um, that makes us better at diving in cold temperatures.

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Where the men are afraid of the cold.

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Where the men are afraid of the cold. I hear about a lot of guys that will, will spend dozens of hours picking apart deliberate cold exposure, uh, when it would take them a fraction of the amount of the time to get into the water. In my experience, this is not a controlled studies, uh, women are more tolerant of the cold, at least in terms of being willing to embrace it the first time around.

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I hear about a lot of guys that will, will spend dozens of hours picking apart deliberate cold exposure, uh, when it would take them a fraction of the amount of the time to get into the water. In my experience, this is not a controlled studies, uh, women are more tolerant of the cold, at least in terms of being willing to embrace it the first time around.

3575.934 - 3576.274 Dr. Melissa Ilardo

Interesting.

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I have stories of, I won't say which countries, elite special forces, it wasn't the U.S.,

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I have stories of, I won't say which countries, elite special forces, it wasn't the U.S., guys, in that case it was guys, being terrified of getting into cold water, but otherwise being willing to do very, very challenging and indeed very dangerous things. I know a woman who first cold plunged 10 minutes. She was just in there.

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guys, in that case it was guys, being terrified of getting into cold water, but otherwise being willing to do very, very challenging and indeed very dangerous things. I know a woman who first cold plunged 10 minutes. She was just in there. In my experience, women are more willing to get into the cold the first time.

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