MARC FENNELL: How AI Is Already Changing Us
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What is the episode’s opening discussion about AI and why did the host invite Marc Fennell?
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It's a lot, isn't it? Everyone, I'm so excited for this chat. It's with the incredible Mark Fennell. He's got a new Audible original series about AI. A lot of you might think, Abby, what the hell? Are you spending time on AI? And the reason is because this series... did it change my mind? Not really, but it brought up a lot of interesting conversations. And Mark is such an incredible journalist and I'm so excited to have him here, but I'm also very nervous to have him here because I get nervous to interview journalists. And I was just saying, have I ever interviewed a journalist? And I have, but it's like Antoinette Latouf about her book that I, you know, have read and Antoinette, You know, I don't know.
We've had many more interactions. Mark, I've only met you one time. This is the second time. And you are an award-winning Awakely.
Walkley.
Walkley.
But I'd love to win Awakely as well. What's Awakely? Nothing. It's an award that doesn't exist, but I would love to win it. I'll make it up. There it is.
And also Jan Fran's got one as well,
doesn't she? She does,
yes. So I've had two of those, two Wakely Walkleys.
I'm going to go home and scratch off the L and be like, it's Awakely now. And maybe it always should have been. And
that's what it always should
have been in my mind.
But I get nervous interviewing journalists about their journalistic work because when it's about writing a book, I go, okay, the book is the
thing.
Now I'm interviewing you about, it's like a bit meta. Well,
do you know what? I'm an accidental journalist, right? Like I was a film critic for years and then I fell into interviewing celebrities and then it became documentary. So I, you know, I don't have a journalism degree either. No, in fact, I don't have any degrees. So you're more qualified than I am. I fell into journalism by accident. And sometimes it was only actually, it's funny because it was only when I won the Walkley that I was like, I guess I have to call myself a journalist now. Because in my mind, people ask me what I do for a living. My job is to just be professionally curious. That's how I put it. It's to go places and make people comfortable enough to share with me the quiet part out loud. And that's my, that's my whole job.
And that's the stuff I enjoy doing though. So even the term journalist, I kind of wear slightly uncomfortably. I did put it on my website though. So now it's in the bio. I
was like, it's in the
shit that we got given to us. So
actually all your awards, all the Wakely Walkley, it doesn't matter what they're called. All we know is they're really important.
Everything.
But I'm so excited to talk to you. I've listened to the full Audible original series in I think a day and a half. I messaged Amy. It came out and then I messaged Amy the next morning going, I'm done. Are you done yet? It is incredible. Basically what it is is you follow different things human stories related to AI isn't about a promo for AI. It isn't also a takedown of AI. It's just, as you said, you being professionally curious and figuring out how AI is affecting humanity. Yeah. And so I wanted to ask you, first of all, and I know the answer to this because I went to the event the other day, you had this kooky, crazy event where AI organized everything.
We wanted people to be uncomfortable. I was, Mark. Yeah, and I know. I sat next to you and I was like, Abby seems uncomfortable. Is this working? I don't know. And the whole idea was that AI has been used on us. It's been deciding what we see in our algorithms. It's been deciding what products we're using. It's been used on us for so long. But now with the introduction of things like your ChatGPTs and Claude's, I think people are suddenly aware of what it can do.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the episode’s opening discussion about AI and why did the host invite Marc Fennell?
0:00–7:04
2
How did the AI‑powered event create discomfort and what did the guests learn from it?
7:04–15:27
3
Why are deepfakes and AI‑generated evidence a threat to journalism and truth?
15:27–25:20
4
How are people forming romantic or personal relationships with AI companions?
25:20–33:28
5
In what ways is AI already shaping our media consumption and everyday language?
33:28–41:30
6
How is AI being used in the criminal‑justice system, such as parole‑risk algorithms?
41:30–50:04
7
What does the series reveal about AI‑assisted grief tech and communication for people with ALS?
50:04–58:00
8
What are the hosts’ final thoughts on how AI is changing what it means to be human?
58:00–1:04:31
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