Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler
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What is the goal of grief?
You are going to be helping so many people just by us having this conversation. Thank you. I think we have the illusion that grief is somehow this straight arrow. Better, better, better, better. And it really is just a big mess. What's the goal of grief? It's to remember with more love than pain, in your own time, in your own way. Grief must be witnessed. We need to witness without fixing. There is no, let me point out the bright side, let me get you to a better place. Let me let you have your experience. And I don't know what it's like for you, but I'm just going to show up and be with you. One of the things about grief and loss and breakups and divorce and betrayals and death and everything is we continue. We survive. We're very resilient. I always say we're resilient and fragile.
How can we witness grief without fixing it?
None of this is logical. It's matters of the heart.
Hi, everyone. Chloe in Wonderland is going to be taking a two-week spring break. New episodes will resume on Wednesday, May 14th. I'll see you guys then. Hi David, thank you so much for being here. You are the most renowned expert in grief and you've written so many books about it and I'm just so excited to chat with you today, so thank you. You and I were just chatting on the side and I was saying how I'm so excited for this conversation because I really believe it's gonna help so many people. channel their own grief in whatever capacity they have it in. And I don't think grief is spoken about as much. I think people feel a lot of shame in grieving or the timeline of what they feel like they need to meet this grieving expectations by. I'm not for any of that. And I know you're not either. But I just wanted to first dive into how you came to the position that you're in helping millions of people process grief and what what occurrence has happened in your life that brought you to this stage.
What personal experiences shaped David Kessler's approach to grief?
I'm so glad we're doing this publicly, because it's so important for people to get these conversations modeled. Yes, because no one does it. So As you can imagine, I grew up with a mother who was a normal mom, but she had some illnesses and then she had to go to the big city hospital, which was hours away. Now, no one decides like I wasn't in third grade or fifth grade and everyone's talking about police officer. Oh no, I want to be a fireman. And I'm like, is death and grief available? I mean, no one thinks that, right? So it's a profession that chooses you. So she has to go to the hospital. We're there. You have to be 14 to visit. I'm 13. That was in the day when families were like a little bit of an interruption of the healing process. Spent a lot of time in the hospital lobby.
Then, at a certain point, we're at our hotel across the way, and someone starts yelling, fire. Everyone runs out. We're all outside looking at this fire on the 18th floor. Fire trucks pulled up. I'm kind of a bored kid, so this is interesting at first. And then when they start to extend the ladders, shooting starts. It turns out it was an active shooter. It went on for hours and hours. Oh my gosh. It's now considered one of the first mass shootings in the U.S., And I saw police officers and hotel guests killed. My father was desperately trying to get us back to the hospital. We finally get back. And then in a couple of days, my mother dies without me being able to be with her. I'm downstairs. And I even remember them bringing me upstairs to see her after she had died.
And I had been so upset about all the rules that by that point I remember seeing her hand and so wanting to hold it one last time. I came away from all of that number one realizing there was no one there to help me back then and I've kind of tried to grow into the person who could have helped me yes and I also wanted to make end of life and grief better for people I mean we're all going to go through it it's like the death rate's a hundred percent right we're all going to go through it it's inevitable and we don't talk about it mm-hmm I think we don't talk about it because it's so final and people don't want to accept that finality. Right.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the goal of grief?
0:10–1:02
2
How can we witness grief without fixing it?
1:02–2:29
3
What personal experiences shaped David Kessler's approach to grief?
2:29–11:12
4
How did COVID change the conversation around grief?
11:12–14:39
5
What are the different forms of grief?
14:39–19:21
6
How can we support someone experiencing grief?
19:21–29:18
7
What is the importance of storytelling in processing grief?
29:18–35:04
8
How can grief lead to personal growth?
35:04–1:07:29