This week we're joined by Kendra Cunningham and Kayla Messana, sisters and co-hosts of the podcast Flatlined and Fine, and their stories are almost impossible to believe. Kayla was 31, healthy, three kids, husband just back from deployment, when she woke him up with agonal breathing in the middle of the night. He dragged her to the floor, did CPR for 10 minutes, and she was shocked twice by an AED before going on to have cardiac arrest approximately eight more times in the next 24 hours. Four years later, she's been shocked by her ICD three additional times and still has no clear diagnosis. Then, a few years after Kayla's event, Kendra had her own cardiac arrest while awake and feeding her newborn twins, told her husband she was about to faint, and was gone within seconds, saved by a man whose only CPR training was a few American Heart Association videos he'd watched before their first child was born. Kristin and I swap notes with them on everything: what it's like to wake up in an ICU with no memory of what happened, how you explain cardiac arrest to kids who are five, six, and eight years old, the psychological weight of an idiopathic diagnosis that gives you no answers and no closure, and the very real experience of being a 31-year-old in a cardiology waiting room surrounded by people forty years older than you. We also get into the insurance disaster of a $15,000 whole exome sequencing test that Blue Cross Anthem denied, why Kendra couldn't pick up her newborn twins for months after her ICD surgery, and why I was cleared to perform eye surgery but not allowed to drive for six months. I also get publicly shamed for not having plugged in my ICD data transmitter in two years. It's earned. Takeaways: Cardiac arrest in young, healthy adults often has no identifiable cause. CPR saves lives even when the person doing it is terrified and untrained. The co-survivor experience is its own separate, underserved story. Young cardiac arrest survivors often get inadequate guidance from the healthcare system. Being shocked by an ICD is traumatic and disruptive in ways that don't get talked about enough. — Want more Kendra Cunningham and Kayla Messana? @flatlined.and.fine on Instagram Flatlined and Fine on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2nRXIK5OvgAv2CXKvCwrQu?si=eHV4s_CZTQyLAXLvf7A14A&nd=1&dlsi=359ec698e7c64c90 To Get Tickets to Wife & Death: You can visit Glaucomflecken.com/live We want to hear YOUR stories (and medical puns)! Shoot us an email and say hi! [email protected] Can’t get enough of us? Shucks. You can support the show on Patreon for early episode access, exclusive bonus shows, livestream hangouts, and much more! –⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://www.patreon.com/glaucomflecken⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Also, be sure to check out the newsletter: https://glaucomflecken.com/glauc-to-me/ If you are interested in buying a book from one of our guests, check them all out here: https://www.amazon.com/shop/dr.glaucomflecken If you want more information on models I use: Anatomy Warehouse provides for the best, crafting custom anatomical products, medical simulation kits and presentation models that create a lasting educational impact. For more information go to Anatomy Warehouse DOT com. Link: https://anatomywarehouse.com/?aff=14 Plus for 15% off use code: Glaucomflecken15 -- A friendly reminder from the G’s and Tarsus: If you want to learn more about Demodex Blepharitis, making an appointment with your eye doctor for an eyelid exam can help you know for sure. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.EyelidCheck.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more information. Head to http://www.cozyearth.com and use my code KNOCKKNOCK for an exclusive 20% off. Produced by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Human Content⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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