Anthropic, Glean & OpenRouter: How AI Moats Are Built with Deedy Das of Menlo Ventures
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How did Deedy Das transition from Glean to venture capital at Menlo Ventures?
Hey everyone, welcome to the Laden Space Podcast. This is Alassio, founder of Kernel
Labs, and I'm joined by Swix, editor of Layden Space. Hello, hello. And today we're finally joined by the epic return of Didi Das. Uh welcome back. Thank
you for having me, guys. Again.
Yeah. I'm so glad to see you. All of
us have different jobs now. All different jobs. All different
jobs. All different jobs. Classic Bay Area, you know, it's been two years, right? So last time it was April twenty twenty three, you joined us uh remote and you were still at Glean back then. I was actually even also looking at the cloud timeline. Uh so cloud one was March twenty twenty three and cloud two was July twenty twenty three. It just feels like so long ago.
Man, I remember the time when I don't know when what your first experience using Claude was, but but mine was I remember early glean There was uh somebody from the company was like, Hey, there's this interesting new L L M that's not open AI and the only way you can talk to it is by tagging Claude in a Slack channel. And I'm like, That's a bizarre interaction model for uh a whole new product.
And
uh and now fast forward to now and I'm like, Okay. Yeah. It's we've come we've come quite a way.
Yeah. I think actually c they only recently introduced Claude in Slack, right? Or Like publicly. Come back. The comeback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like how
it started and now Cloud is challenging.
Cloud and Slack. And so since then, uh I wanted to start with Glean, obviously, because of you know, we uh we're gonna cover a lot of startups in this episode. So Glean has Glean was like a billion dollars, I think, is based on my research. And now it's at seven billion dollars. So your your your options are good. What's your take on like how Glean's going and the market in general?
I would say that Now being on venture side, I have a a bit of a a different take than I would have had at Glean. But broadly one of the things that I love about Glean is it's such a boring unsexy company that became sexy later. So from twenty nineteen, I remember going to parties in the Bay Area and I would say enterprise search and it's a shutting down the conversation right there. You know, like nobody would ever ask a counter question if you said enterprise search. They're like, oh, that sounds boring as hell. Leave me alone. Like, um, and and fast forward to 2022, Enterprise Search gets more um got more conversations. It was like, interesting. Tell me how you're doing this this search. I think but what was nice about that.
observation is in those three years, we did a lot of work and not didn't take shortcuts on a lot of things that ended up generating a lot of value for us now. And I can go into what what all of those things are, but if you look at Glean from a high level business, it is top-down enterprise sales. It's very hard to rip and replace. We have we expand contracts very easily because the TAM is so large. It's every knowledge worker could use Use a version of enterprise search and then the AI on top. I still call it search, but information retrieval in the enterprise. And we've we've we solved a lot of critical problems. I can go into that too, in order to get there. Then comes, you know, December 2022, the ChatGPT moment and everything that's happened since.
And now when I look at Glean, you know, it's a different world. We were very quick and Correctly prioritized LLMs earlier on. It did a lot of good for our business and the company. But now there's fire from a lot of angles. Like everyone wants to be a part of the enterprise search story. And it makes sense. I mean, it's a large, unconstrained TAM. LLMs are particularly useful for gathering information. Obviously, consumers are interesting in enterprises, therefore interesting. How do you do this in enterprise? Well, gather all the knowledge and then put an LM on top. So That being said, I'm still very happy with the Glean stock. You know, Glean's also valued at 7 billion, not 100 billion. So I'm I I think the company has a lot of growth.
I think it's done a lot of the hard work that nobody's willing to do.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did Deedy Das transition from Glean to venture capital at Menlo Ventures?
0:00–9:55
2
What key factors drove Glean’s rise from a “boring” enterprise search startup to a $7 B AI‑native company?
9:55–20:22
3
How did Anthropic achieve its meteoric growth and what does its market‑share trajectory look like?
20:22–30:54
4
What are Claude Code’s unique product innovations and why are they important for AI‑driven coding?
30:54–43:42
5
How does the Anthology Fund seed the Anthropic ecosystem and what companies does it back?
43:42–55:06
6
Why are Goodfire’s mechanistic interpretability research and Prime OpenAI’s distributed training considered strategic bets?
55:06–1:04:12
7
What problem does OpenRouter solve for developers and how is it positioned in the AI model gateway market?
1:04:12–1:15:17
8
What are the emerging challenges for software engineers as AI tools become more autonomous?
1:15:17–1:25:26
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