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Chapter 1: What are the current challenges of eating disorder services in Ireland?
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On Friday on the show, people will remember we were talking about CMAT and body image and body shaming because she had appeared in a BBC show, posted up online, and she was met with hate. Nothing other, no other way to describe it in the comments underneath.
And she said she was bored of having to talk about her body all of the time, but she felt she had to because it kept being commented on all of the time. Now, quite a few people in the course of that conversation on Friday and over the weekend, got in touch with us here on Live 9, asking us to continue the conversation with a specific focus on eating disorders.
And so that's what we're going to do now. And because that's what we're going to talk about, just be mindful of the fact that some of these issues, some of the topics covered, Maybe sensitive and might be difficult listening for people with experience in this area. Maybe your own experience or experience of your family.
As always, if you do want to talk about your own experience as well, we'd love to hear from you. And that WhatsApp number again is 087-484-8888. And Maura is on the line. Maura, you're very welcome to the show. When or at what age did your daughter Rebecca first present as having an eating disorder?
Well, Rebecca, for example, she was diagnosed at age 10 and then she was admitted straight away to our local hospital into the medical admission. And she spent a little while there and then she was sent home to ourselves under the care of CAMHS. And from the age of 10 to 16, she was with CAMHS. Now, it was a very inconsistent and probably not fit for purpose.
At one stage, she was told she was attention-seeking. And then at 16, she was discharged as there was nothing more they could do. So with that, we went on anyway. And I suppose COVID... and her Leaving Search year came about. So between the two of them, Rebecca had a severe relapse.
To the extent that she did her Leaving Search, got her CAO results fabulous, got her course that she really wanted to do, and two weeks before she was due to start college, she ended up being admitted to the local acute medical hospital. where she spent, because of her, she did spend six months between acute medical ward and the psychiatric ward in our local hospital.
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Chapter 2: How did Rebecca's eating disorder journey begin?
Her friend who'd grown up had died, her siblings. And they walked out with their boyfriends, their girlfriends, you know. And that had been stolen from Rebecca, you know. Those relationships, be it relationships of a boyfriend-girlfriend, but also her own friends that she was at school with. She was described being in their presence, in a room with them.
And because the evenings are so hour-consuming, so 24-7, day and night, It robs her of that presence. She's there with Eden's other thoughts, rather than having a bit of fun, as Maura described, having a pint of pizza, whatever you do as a youngster. So for myself, Maura, watching on, looking at our daughter's life being diminished like that by this Eden's order, it's really difficult.
And the other thing that was really tough, Ciarán, was trying to come to some understanding of what an Eden's order was. So at the start, we hadn't an idea. And it was really difficult to upskill ourselves to learn a little bit about what's helpful and what's unhelpful in the context of eating disorders.
And certainly what's really unhelpful, I think you started at the top of the show with it, you know, commentary around appearance, weight, shape, size, you name it. It certainly, you know, I guess we make the programme to see different things. But articulating it and commenting upon it is a step too far in my view in a lot of cases.
Máire, what's it been like for you watching Rebecca withdraw the way Ken describes from friends and relationships?
Oh, it's heartbreaking. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I mean, she said it herself. It's so consuming sometimes. She cannot even speak. I mean, you might get a little whisper. It just absolutely consumes her, and therefore it consumes us. All you want to do as a parent is look after your children. And whichever way that be, you know, support, nourish, love, care.
We try and give everything and she is the most loving person. Just the eating disorder absolutely takes over.
But you're probably on eggshells, are you, all the time?
Well, we try not to be. And like, we have a very, very open relationship. I mean, as we speak now, Rebecca is listening to this. And, you know, so we didn't, none of this conversation would have happened without Rebecca consenting and being part of it. You know, so we do have a very, very open and I would say a very solid relationship.
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Chapter 3: What is the impact of eating disorders on family dynamics?
I just, I don't even think about it as I say it. But say if you were somewhere with Rebecca and you just bump into someone and the small talk is happening as it does and somebody makes a comment like that. Oh, it doesn't, Alan down the road looked great, he's after losing a ton of weight. I mean, do you say anything like Niamh used to? Do you grimace?
Do you immediately think, oh God, on what level is Rebecca going to interpret that? Or how do you think about it?
I suppose at this stage, I can't say you're used to it because there's always the...
but there is that fact of let it go let it go over our head we can't determine what anybody else says it's how we interpret that now but what another thing I like rather than me saying to you you know God you look great how about hey Kieran isn't it great to see you you know same thing totally different I'm not working on your appearance I'm happy to see you
You know, so it's just very simple changes that can make a big, big difference. Because people say it all the time. You know, they'll say it to me, they'll say it to Rebecca or whatever. Oh, you know, oh my God, you look great. Oh my God, you know, you don't need to comment on somebody's appearance. What gives you the right to? What gives me the right to comment on somebody's appearance?
Yeah. Do you take much hope listening to Niamh despite, you know, the ongoing struggles?
I think Niamh's amazing.
But when she talks, yeah.
I think she is amazing. I did not want to jump in and just say how wonderful I think it is and how proud I would be that she can do that. And fair play to you, Niamh. And yes, I take a lot of hope.
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Chapter 4: How does the healthcare system respond to eating disorders?
You know, it's affecting her brain. It's complicating treating mental health issues because when you starve yourself, obviously it starts to affect your brain and affect your thinking. And so we're really backed into a corner on all fronts at the moment. And we don't know what to do. You know.
And so England is your...
next port of call is your hope is it possibly possibly yeah it would destroy my daughter to have to go to leave the country and become an impatient anywhere um but like i don't know whether the choice we have you know yeah we're either waiting for collapse or you know which start to look overseas and see would anybody be willing to work with us on an outpatient basis even yeah
because our problem at the moment is we can't get her to eat. So a dietitian can manage calories and reintroducing food, but our issue is she won't have a bar of it.
And to stay there, because Teresa's after getting in touch as well, 0874848888. Teresa, have you your own personal experience of this?
I do. Hi, I didn't expect to be coming on radio today, but I just wanted to really highlight, we're kind of nearly in the early days, we're about a year, my daughter's about a year, year and a half where she's been restricting, purging, etc. She's, you know, she's in kind of an adult service that we're not dealing with cams or anything like that.
So it's come into her life a little bit older than some of the other kids we've talked about. But what I really wanted to highlight is the mental health side of this disease and that potentially the earlier the interaction, the better the potential outcome for any of these kids or adults who are suffering with this disease. It's entirely consuming.
You know, we have a kid who, you know, loved singing and dancing, went to college, got a dream course, got a whatever, which applies with us. Everything in life is going brilliantly until this. disorder started. It's anorexia in our case. And it just means the person doesn't feel their brain is not working correctly.
The messages are not going correctly to their body to say, you look perfect, you look great, you look fantastic, you're absolutely enough. So what's happening is you've got somebody who's constantly questioning what they look like, it's never good enough. They're never accepted enough. I'll never be good enough. And so it really is the mental health side that needs to be looked at.
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Chapter 5: What experiences do survivors share about their recovery journeys?
And I think, as was mentioned, by some callers, I mean, I had to go as an inpatient. So I ended up in St. Patrick's Mental Health Services as an inpatient in the Specialist Eating Disorder Ward. And it's one thing when you come out of hospital after, you know, your body is given the nutrition it needs. The fight only begins then and it takes years and years.
I mean, I've had so many ups and downs. And only recently enough got to the point where food doesn't dictate what I do every day. But then other stuff might come up that you have to deal with. But again, it's an ongoing battle. But for me, it just comes up in different things now.
How did your wife react when you said you were going to go for a run the other day?
I was afraid to ask because it could have caused her a lot of She spotted it and I went to a GP at one stage and I was told it was just me being healthy. So my wife at that stage said, oh, look, maybe it's nothing. But it turned out, obviously, when I ended up leaving my wife a kid and heading into St Pat's to be something bigger. She was really, really accepting of it and I was surprised.
But see, I suppose I'm more in touch with myself now and then she pokes more of the signs to kind of pull me back in. But it's something that I'm thinking about and that's the thing, it's just trying to get into it. Because it was such a big part of my life, like I said, it was seven days a week and it dictated everything.
You know, family holidays, we couldn't go abroad because, you know, it was just the way I was. It just controlled everything in our lives. So it would be quite a big deal for me to even think about.
Will you have to put little checks on yourself, you know, countermeasures to stop yourself running an alarm on your phone or plan out your route in advance and only go so far? Or have you thought about it?
Yeah, I definitely have to be well aware of myself. I think planning certain days and times isn't necessarily the way to go for me. I think just ad hoc is probably better. because then I can slip in again and say, I have to go. When I first came out of hospital, I used to just walk for exercise, and that's creeping easy enough as well. I haven't walked the same distance as I did yesterday.
I didn't go for a walk today. So it's been the self-awareness of knowing that's so important. So, again, I'm really good at that. I've been in check-up myself now, and like I do, a lot of talking about it and raising awareness, so I should be more in tune, you know. So, yeah, definitely, I'd need my wife to be there for me as well to keep an eye.
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