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Chapter 1: What changes have occurred between Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban?
Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Monday the 22nd of June and I am Holly Wainwright. I'm Claire Stephen. Welcome back Claire. Sorry Amelia, I jumped in. But you were off a bit last week. Yeah.
And I think some Out Louders thought I'd had the baby. And I was like, guys, like, I honestly like I wish, but no, I was just sick and it was boring and I had to listen to you guys without fighting back. It was annoying. I'm Amelia Lester. And here's what's made our agenda for today.
Olivia Wilde is finally talking about that cursed Don't Worry Darling press tour and why she inexplicably became one of the most hated women in the world.
The shit skirt is casting around for a new British Prime Minister to wear it. What you need to know about the mess of UK politics right now and what it might say about ours.
And I have a very simple, completely free way to start your day better.
But first, in case you missed it, so it seems that the Keith Urban-Nicole Kidman divorce has taken a lovely turn. Oh, how nice. Who would have thought this? It was about nine months ago that that split came out of the blue, didn't it?
At least it was. I was in the Mamma Mia offices that day and that was just, I think that was the biggest day in Mamma Mia history.
Everybody lost their minds. Now, they obviously knew it was coming because by the time we heard about it, their settlement was almost done. So, fantastic. As far as we know, this could have been brewing for a while, but it certainly came out of nowhere for us. But it seems that things are amicable now because social media sleuths know these things.
First of all, it was Nicole Kidman's birthday on Saturday and Keith Urban actually made a story and put it on his stories and it just had text lowercase. Happy birthday, Nicole Mary.
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Chapter 2: What is the current state of UK politics and its implications?
I think that's quite lovely. But it's like, don't pretend that there hasn't been any drama.
But don't you think that it's possible that all the drama happened? Because apparently, if reports are to be believed... Their settlement has been relatively stress-free. They've both agreed to not go for alimony, not go for any spousal support, anything like that. She walks away with her money, he walks away with his.
They've got a very straightforward custody agreement with the kids, which is joint, but she's primary parent. And if reports are also to be believed, scurrilous here, she is dating again. Remember there was all the gossip about him, maybe. Holly, is she dating Simon Baker?
Yeah.
I wish she was because that would be great. But although I don't know.
No, it wouldn't be great. You don't know about it. If she was.
Apparently she's dating a businessman.
Oh, that's a big Hollywood move these days. Reese has got a businessman on the speed dial.
He's chairman of the board at MGM and he's called Paul Salem. Allegedly he's divorced with four daughters. And again, scurrilous, scurrilous.
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Chapter 3: How did Olivia Wilde's press tour impact her public image?
You might say that this...
I thought you were talking about Father's Day. On Sunday she did that. No, you mean Sunday.
You don't miss a thing, do you?
Just dating and checking out who Sunday's following. She followed him again, though. Unfollowed and followed. But I just think you can say all you want about the legal process. That's what I care about.
I've got another little bit of social media news from celebs, which is that Anne Hathaway is joining the ranks of celebrities who are pregnant well into their 40s. She posted over the weekend in what looked like a kind of like Lily Allen coded Brooklyn Brownstone vibe type backdrop. She was wearing this very chic cheesecloth number and it showed off, dare I say, she was flaunting a baby bump.
She is pregnant.
Thank you to our New York real estate agent. over here with the brownstone vibes.
Sorry, Amelia. It was very yesteryear coded, right? This cheesecloth number that she was in. And now there's a lot of other celebrities who are pregnant into their 40s right now. Natalie Portman is pregnant. She's 45. Giselle was 44 when she had her latest. And Sienna Miller, of course, who we've talked about on the show, was 43.
So I was interested to see what the story was with Anne Hathaway's other children.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of Prince William's feelings towards Harry's visit?
I knew vaguely she had children, but she is very private about it. So I kind of had to dig a little, but it turns out her first child was born a full 10 years ago. That's quite a spread. And then her second in 2019. And she's talked a lot about going through infertility and conception health. So it's very nice news.
I don't even know who her partner is. Same guy with all the kids?
Same guy. Same guy. She's very private. And he, so a little fun story. I was in Positano, I'm going to say 15 years ago. And I was standing at a bus stop and I looked across the road.
You were in Positano, but you were standing at a bus stop.
This is very swings and roundabouts. Which says a lot about the quality of my holiday. 15 years ago. Yes. Yeah. And I looked across the road and I went, that's Anne Hathaway. And she was with the same guy that she's still with because I Googled him later.
Not the Italian fraudster who she was with beforehand.
That was a great story. No, same guy because I was like, I don't recognise that man. Adam Shulman. Yeah. And then when I Googled him, I was like, that's exactly who she was with. And I was so excited. But this was pre-kids, pre-everything.
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Chapter 5: What life advice can improve your morning routine?
But no, I have been on holiday with Anne Hathaway.
You have definitely? Yep. This all buys into my theory that we're living in an age of agelessness. The longevity tech bros are all about, you know, not eating food and doing all that stuff to live forever. But the female version of that is extension of fertility. And I don't know if it's now just because I'm old, but now I'm like, 40 is so young. You have so much time.
Yeah. One of the most bizarre realities of celebrity culture is that a story can completely take over the zeitgeist for weeks or months at a time.
Chapter 6: How does the concept of 'output before input' work?
And then just as quickly as it appeared, it's entirely forgotten. And then when it comes up again, we're like, oh, yeah. That was batshit insane. So with the clarity of hindsight, often you can't work out why everyone lost their minds. And this is the case with the scandal of the Don't Worry Darling press tour with Olivia Wilde.
This was one of my favourite moments in pop culture ever.
I really enjoyed it. I saw a tweet that was like, it's QAnon for highly online people. Yeah. And I'm like, that's what it was for me. Like the closer you looked, the more you found.
I think QAnon is also QAnon for highly online people.
Okay, that's true. But I take the point. That's very true. So very luckily we got Olivia Wilde sitting down on Call Her Daddy last week to unpack all the details of the gossip of the press tour with Alex Cooper. Because apparently her new movie is really good. Yeah. Yeah, The Invitation, it's called, with Seth Rogen.
I believe it. Her first movie that she directed was brilliant. I have the book smart and I've always given her a lot of credit for that.
And can we just acknowledge Don't Worry Darling was an excellent film. I enjoyed it.
I didn't watch it.
See, that's the problem.
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Chapter 7: What controversies surround the upcoming visit of Harry and Meghan?
And the proof I have of this is that there's this new show on Disney Plus called Alice and Steve. It is a post- perfect, one of those like perfect little capsules of a show that only the Brits can do. It's only six episodes and it's six perfect little half hour episodes. And it's about Jermaine from Flight of the Conchords, who is embarking on a relationship with a 26 year old woman.
Who is the daughter of his best friend. The daughter of his friend, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll get to that. I think it's important context.
I'm like, that makes it so juicy. But yeah, and it's like a sort of like, it's been billed as like a wrong-com, which I hadn't heard that phrase before, but it's very true for this show. It's like that kind of awkward, cringey humor that you can't look away from. I just loved it. I ate it up over the course of like 48 hours.
But then I, you know how you watch a show and then you want to see what the reviewers think. So I started Googling around and the first thing that comes up is the Guardian's review. And I'm sorry, but to me, it encapsulated our inability as a society to talk properly or rationally about this topic. It was a review written by Lucy Mangan, who is a great TV reviewer.
I love her reviews generally, but she kind of just spins out about this premise. And she writes that the poor man we are led to understand, is not a predator. He's just a bit weak and lonely. And it never asks the question of whether inexperienced people are ever in command of a situation involving experienced people of any kind.
So basically as a society, we seem to have decided that inherently, if you have an age gap, regardless of whether it's a man, again, regardless of which gender is in which power's position, it can never be a relationship that's anything other than wrong or perverted. And I just think that that's insane. 26 is a full-grown adult who is perfectly capable of consenting to this relationship.
Is it a good relationship? No.
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Chapter 8: How do family dynamics influence public perceptions of the royal family?
Are they compatible? Not in the slightest. Would you be pissed off if your best friend started dating your daughter? Yes. Well, yeah, that's the premise of the show. But to say that the concept in itself of someone being more experienced than someone means that there is an inherent and wrong power dynamic, I just think is like...
a very strange new morality emerging i don't think i think we've always been totally fine with with age gap relationships when it's men and women for a long time older men younger women that was the norm the standard every movie you've ever seen when you think about it right i think it's only recently post me too we've started pushing back on them with any actual veracity
Well, but the fact that Jason Sudeikis was dating somebody who was younger... And no one even mentioned it. I didn't know that. That's the first I had heard when Olivia Wilde said it in the Call Her Daddy interview.
I think that a lot of the kind of way you feel about age gap relationships, like many things in life, it's often about your life stage and where you're at. Because I don't think that generally we think that age gap relationships, full stop, are wrong. No. But you can see the power dynamic so much more clearly from later in your life.
But I want to keep the conversation around a 26-year-old is not apparently capable of deciding that she wants to have a fling with this guy who's much older than her. And the thing is that all relationships have power differentials. Like, no one enters into a relationship entirely equal on every footing. For instance, I'm a very, very bad driver because I learned in my 30s.
I'm very inexperienced when it comes to driving. I'm married to someone who's a great driver, who's been driving like a normal person since his teens. That's okay. There's different power dynamics in relationships.
Oh, I agree. Once you're an adult, do what you want to do. But I think that as older women in particular often get... are very cynical about the men in their lives who, strangely, their girlfriends are always 25. It's like no one is suggesting that that 25-year-old doesn't have agency. It's more, it says something about you if you're a man in your 50s and you only date 25-year-olds.
I mean, look at how we all laugh at Leonardo DiCaprio, right? And so I think, I do think it's true that Olivia Wilde, when you listen to this interview and they go through this crazy year, we burnt that woman at the
Oh, the public shaming.
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