Bonus: Does Money Stress You Out? From "Happier with Gretchen Rubin"
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Hey everyone, it's Rima. Just dropping into your feed with a little bonus episode. I wanted to share a recent conversation I had with author and speaker Gretchen Rubin on her podcast Happier. We talked about why it can be so hard to talk about money and some simple tips we can all use to better manage our finances. I had a great time on her podcast and thought you might want to listen. So here's my conversation with Gretchen Rubin and financial expert Haley Sachs. Hope you all enjoy it and I'll catch you all Thursday with a new episode of This is Uncomfortable.
Hello, we are here for More Happier, a podcast where we get happier. Today's episode is the next in our roundtable conversation series, and the topic today is our financial lives. For many of us, dealing with money is a source of dread, anxiety, guilt, just general discomfort, a constant chore that we're trying to avoid. In this roundtable, we'll talk about how we can design our financial lives better to gain greater feelings of peace and control. I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness and human nature. I'm host of the Happier with Gretchen Rubin podcast. And I also have a new podcast, Since You Asked. That's an advice podcast with a twist. And I'm also the author of many books, including The Happiness Project and Happier at Home.
Those two are particularly relevant to our discussion today. And joining me today, two terrific guests. I am so looking forward to this conversation. First, Haley Sachs, who has an AKA Mrs. Dow Jones. Haley Sachs is a leading voice in financial literacy for millennials and Gen Z. She's a financial expert, host of the Financial Tea podcast, and author of Future Rich Person, The New Rules for Building Wealth. Hello, Haley. How are you? I am so excited to be here. I am a huge fan of your work, so I'm a little bit starstruck, but can't wait for this. This is so nice to hear. And we are also joined by Rima Kreis. Rima is the host of the weekly Marketplace podcast, This is Uncomfortable, a show about life and how money messes with it.
She began her career in audio as an NPR Crock Fellow and joined Marketplace as a reporter in 2016, where she has covered a wide range of social and economic issues. Hello, Reema. Hello. Thank you so much for having me here. I'm so excited to talk about this. This is going to be great. I mean, this is a fraught subject, right? Within the larger topic of happiness, I think issues related to money are among the most emotionally charged. So let us dive into the core question of why do money matters feel so hard and so fraught? And what are some of the things that we can do in an immediate practical way to replace those bad feelings with maybe some of the calm that can come from self-knowledge and self-awareness?
And how to get started ourselves with grappling with our own behavior and attitudes. But first, let's just jump in with the most basic scene setting question. So Haley, and I'm going to ask you this too, Rima, if you had to pick one big reason why managing money feels like such a dreadful chore to so many people, what do you think is at the core of that? I think that managing money has a big PR issue because it's really big.
What emotional challenges do people face regarding money?
Yeah, it's been framed and marketed to us as like this moral judgment tool versus something that you can actually use to build your life. So like... When you think about managing money, you're always thinking about how you have to cut back and deprive yourself. And so, obviously, no one wants to do that, and they avoid it because they're like, ooh, I want to have my latte. I want to, like, enjoy my life, spend money. And so it's really built on just restriction and shame. And so, of course, our brains resist it, which is—I'm getting my Gretchen on talking about brains— But yeah, so I think that like the key is, is like shifting it from like, what am I cutting to like, what am I building? How am I redirecting this towards the life that I actually really want?
So reframing it in that way. How about you, Rima? What would you say?
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6 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–3:28
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What emotional challenges do people face regarding money?
3:28–14:17
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Why is managing money often perceived as a dreadful chore?
14:17–18:03
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How can we shift our mindset about money management?
18:03–21:02
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What practical steps can help reduce financial anxiety?
21:02–30:31
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How can understanding financial values improve spending habits?
30:31–32:56