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"Running out of that buffer"

28 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What does the April PCE report reveal about inflation?

2.039 - 35.661 Kai Risdahl

The macroeconomic news of the day today brought to you by the letters G, D, and P, and P, C, and E. From American Public Media, this is Marketplace. In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Rizal. Thursday, today, 28 May. Good as always to have you along, everybody. I'm Laura Veldkamp, and I'm a professor at Columbia Business School.

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35.681 - 40.365 Tara Sinclair

I am Professor Tara Sinclair. I'm chair of the economics department at the George Washington University.

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40.649 - 55.502 Kai Risdahl

We made some calls this morning to help us sort out the two big economic data points of the day. PCE, the April Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, which is a fancy way to say inflation. Also, an update to first quarter gross domestic product.

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Chapter 2: How has the personal savings rate changed recently?

56.003 - 63.59 Kai Risdahl

There's a lot to unpack here. It's not very good news. Inflation looks too high. Growth looks too low. And neither of those are the direction that we wanted to see.

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63.93 - 70.656 Tara Sinclair

The first one I opened was the GDP report. And I went, uh-oh, because downward revisions, we don't like those.

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71.058 - 82.215 Kai Risdahl

We'll start where Professor Sinclair started, Q1 economic growth. That is what this GDP report measures. It fell four-tenths percent from an earlier estimate to 1.6 percent annualized.

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Chapter 3: What factors are contributing to the decline in savings for Americans?

82.82 - 95.68 Tara Sinclair

The next thing I did was scroll down and was like, OK, where did it come from? And seeing that it came from both the consumption and investment side, those two sides that really tell us what's going to be happening in future quarters, that was a big area of concern.

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95.74 - 118.777 Kai Risdahl

This is a deer in the headlights moment for American businesses. While businesses are stopping and freezing and asking what's going on and what should they do next, they're not investing, they're not hiring, they're not expanding, and GDP is not growing as much as it should be. That's GDP. We will do PCE. Now, prices were up 3.8 percent in April. That is including food and energy.

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119.278 - 126.73 Kai Risdahl

That markers the highest it's been since May of 2023. Gasoline prices went up massively last month.

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Chapter 4: How is the K-shaped recovery affecting office real estate?

127.211 - 134.443 Kai Risdahl

And this gas price increase that we just saw is just beginning to filter through the prices of everything else in the economy.

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134.575 - 155.487 Tara Sinclair

We also saw continued pressures on housing costs. And so combining these two things together suggests this is not just purely about what's been happening in Iran. This isn't simply about a short-term blip that we could look through. This is looking more concerning.

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155.652 - 171.38 Kai Risdahl

Pay attention to that look through thing that Professor Sinclair said. Looking through the energy shock is what the Federal Reserve has been doing, although there are some signs that tune might be changing at the central bank. Wall Street today. What do you know? Technology stocks leading the way.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of rising gas and grocery prices?

171.44 - 216.22 Kai Risdahl

How about that? Details, numbers when we get there. Tara Sinclair said things were concerning a minute ago. Here's some more fuel for that. We are saving less of what we make. The personal savings rate last month was just 2.6%. That's the lowest it's been since the post-pandemic revenge spending spree of mid-2022. Daniel Ackerman has more on that.

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216.2 - 236.436 Kai Risdahl

the answer to why americans are keeping less of their paychecks was pretty obvious to everyone i spoke to today inflation still remains fairly strong gas prices grocery prices continue to rise this is really reflective of continued impacts of inflation people are just not saving much at the end of the month

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236.416 - 241.864 Kai Risdahl

That was Ted Rossman of Bankrate, Matt Schultz of LendingTree, and Ryan Sweet of Oxford Economics.

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Chapter 6: How does the April GDP revision reflect economic growth?

242.405 - 260.269 Kai Risdahl

Sweet says the low savings rate makes it harder for households to weather a job loss or a costly car repair. The consumer is essentially running out of that buffer. That safety net is starting to get depleted. And in many cases, that safety net is gone altogether, says Sweet, which means more household debt.

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260.69 - 281.699 Kai Risdahl

We start to get concerned that consumers will turn to using credit cards, which we've already seen. And Sweet says that could cause people to fall behind on payments. But even as savings dwindle, consumers keep on spending, especially higher income ones. That's not always been the case, says Bankrate's Ted Rossman. Normally, when people are stressed about the economy, they pull back on things.

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281.759 - 282.922 Kai Risdahl

They stop traveling.

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Chapter 7: What strategies are consumers using to cope with financial stress?

282.982 - 298.764 Kai Risdahl

They stop going out to eat. Rossman says the fact that we haven't seen pullback on a wide scale could mean consumers think the current oil price spike won't last. We keep hearing like from the president and others that war is going to be over soon. Gas prices are going to come back down.

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298.784 - 318.809 Kai Risdahl

I do wonder if some people are pulling more of the short term lever about like, OK, I'll dip into my savings for now, but it's a short term adjustment they're willing to make. Still, the savings rate is less than half of what it was two years ago, which means the trend has been going on for a while now, says LendingTrees Matt Schultz.

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318.83 - 330.514 Kai Risdahl

I think that struggle is driving more of this right now than confidence is. Schultz says the best thing consumers can do is to make the most of whatever savings they're able to pull together.

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330.494 - 337.211 Unknown

by using something like an online high yield savings account that is getting, you know, around 4%.

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337.492 - 344.208 Kai Risdahl

Compared to a traditional savings account from a mega bank, which Schultz says offers an interest rate closer to zero.

Chapter 8: What innovative solutions are cities exploring to boost their budgets?

344.83 - 383.844 Kai Risdahl

I'm Daniel Ackerman for Marketplace. If recent trends hold, this summer is going to be one of, if not the hottest on record, which is to say the climate crisis is getting more critical. There are ideas big and small on what to do about that. And among the bigger ones, the biggest probably, is dimming the sun.

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384.724 - 392.192 Kai Risdahl

The new season of our climate podcast, How We Survive, is all about some of those large-scale interventions. Here's Marketplace's Amy Scott.

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392.51 - 404.402 Amy Scott

At an undisclosed location in the San Francisco Bay Area, I'm standing about 21 feet off the ground on the roof of two shipping containers stacked on top of each other.

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404.903 - 409.067 Kai Risdahl

Just don't stand on the edge. We don't want anyone dangling.

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409.687 - 413.551 Amy Scott

I'm with Luke Eisman and his business partner, Andrew Song.

414.212 - 421.099 Unknown

We're going to launch some balloons and send them into the stratosphere filled with sulfur dioxide and hydrogen gas to get it up there.

421.535 - 442.864 Amy Scott

Eisman and Song co-founded the climate intervention startup Make Sunsets. They sell what they call cooling credits. For $1, you can pay them to release one gram of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, which they say is roughly enough to offset the warming caused by a ton of carbon dioxide.

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The goal of Make Sunsets is to cool Earth as quickly as we safely can.

447.995 - 476.095 Amy Scott

And they think that this type of solar geoengineering, known as stratospheric aerosol injection, is the way to do it. Eisman and Song get to work filling a weather balloon, one of those big latex ones meteorologists use to take atmospheric measurements, with hydrogen so it'll float up into the air, and sulfur dioxide, a pungent gas that's a byproduct of fossil fuel production.

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