Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing
Tue, 29 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: What led to the Disney timeshare scam?
You wanna go to Disney World? We'll give you free tickets, but you gotta go see a 90-minute presentation. I created a script of pure heat that's like straight fraud. I'm calling my friends and I'm like, hey look, quit your job. I'm gonna literally make you life-changing money. And I'm talking millions of dollars. The FBI runs in there. So... I left.
Upon arriving in the Dominican Republic, I look over. It's a police officer. And he's got a piece of paper with my face on it. My dad was stationed in Keflavik, which is the NATO base in Iceland. Ultimately, I got in enough trouble where the CEO of the base, the captain of the base, said, hey, look, we're going to kick him off.
So my dad thought it would be a great idea for me to move with my aunt and uncle in Atlanta, Georgia. And it was very interesting because this actually was probably my first introduction to crime. My aunt was the head of and marshal's distribution center for the whole Southeast.
And that's kind of where all the trucks would basically congregate and distribute throughout the whole Southeast section. And I remember when I first moved there, my aunt gives me this huge bag, like a bag full of like... clothes, you know, starter, guest watches, colognes. And I was like, I've never even seen these kind of things in Iceland because, you know, living in Iceland is so secluded.
You know, you see these things and you want them, but they're just not available. So seeing those things, I was just like a kid in a candy store, you know, and I've always had a passion for fashion. I never questioned it. You know, I just thought it was something that my aunt did.
But it would turn out that every Sunday I would wake up because she would work the third shift and I would wake up to a huge bag of goodies.
I mean, she's pilfering the trucks that come in. She's grabbing the best stuff.
What turned out is she was running a bootleg operation in Atlanta. She ended up going to the feds as well. Yeah, they would basically rent homes and they would basically turn them into shopping centers for people to buy discounted on the discount. She had a truck driver that she would work with and just let them drive off with a whole 18 wheeler.
She's kind of a gangster.
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Chapter 2: What experiences shaped Gunnar's early exposure to crime?
I can't believe this.
All the Rangers got locked up. So he, being in Iceland, obviously has to coordinate. And he immediately came as fast as he could. And at that point in time, you know, my aunt got locked up. My uncle ended up getting bonded. They both got bonded out. At that point in time, my dad realized, okay, living here with them is not going to work anymore, obviously. So my dad decided to retire to Orlando.
How much time did your aunt get?
Oh, yeah. So she ended up getting five years.
What did your uncle get?
Uncle got, I think, two years, but he was able to do it with some kind of weekend thing.
Okay.
You know, because he wasn't like the main. He went to the ring later. Correct. Yeah. I don't know what the other gentleman got. Being that age, I didn't really get that disclosed to me. I do remember Aunt Lorraine got five years. Uncle James got two. And he was able to do it on the weekends. So now, yeah, we moved to Orlando, Florida.
It was really interesting because, you know, I came from in Atlanta. It was a predominantly black. I was in DeKalb County. Went Southwest DeKalb High School. Predominantly black. You'd probably see one or two white guys or white people. They actually go, what you is, Italian? They didn't really know what I actually was. But I identified black and white, you know. So I moved to Orlando, Florida.
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Chapter 3: How did Gunnar get involved in selling timeshares?
You know, sorry, you know.
Let me check my inventory, see if we can find a better unit for you. That's just like how it is, I think, in everything. When you do a takeaway, you have a girlfriend and you like her and everything. She likes you. All of a sudden, she doesn't like you.
Oh, shit.
I love you. Yeah, I was going to say. I'm big on the moment they're like, I don't know. I'm not sure. Hey, you know what? We're done. We're good. Thanks. Good luck. And walk away. And then they're like...
yeah yeah yeah absolutely it's just it's literally it's a humans want what they can't have yeah it doesn't really become super valuable until it's either rare or not available what's horrible is that there will be people in the comment section saying salesmen are horrible you guys are horrible people and you know and we are
We are. I'm okay with it.
Listen. It served me well. Yeah. As you said, if you're in sales and you don't want to make money, you know, but obviously, like I said, you know.
Yeah. There comes a fine line. If you're in sales and you don't want to make money, then you're in the wrong fucking business.
They say the sales industry has the most millionaires out of any industry, at least back then. I don't know now.
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Chapter 4: What unethical practices did Gunnar employ in his sales?
There's lots of, yes, you know, and there's money to make. Everybody's happy. Now it is unfortunate in this industry doing that kind of pitch. It takes a certain individual. I would say about 60% of the individuals that worked in my office partied. And I say that in the aspect of weekend warriors, you know, and I'll be honest, man, I didn't care what the hell you did.
I really didn't fucking, as long as you come here and go to work and make that money, like whatever you're doing, your free time, it was your time. But between this hour and this hour, you know, you're, you're not mine, but you're here to do a job. Right. So ultimately, we literally transformed and went from 30 to 40 to doing 100 plus thousand dollars a week.
And I'm not even like lying or exaggerating. It got to a point where I like... I was making literally $120,000, $130,000 every freaking week. I started to get so much money that like, and trust me when I say this, like I tried to spend it all. Yeah, you can buy big ticket shit, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. But like, you know, everyday things, like it's really hard and difficult to spend.
Every week you're getting that. Every week. And this went on for... How many people were working for you at this time? Okay, so yeah, ultimately at that time, it grew from, I had five, we went to 25. And then I also expanded, I had like three offices. Now, there were levels to the office. Now, everybody wanted to work at the main office.
That's where I provided the best leaves, that's where the best closures, the best environment. Then you had another office, which is kind of mediocre. Then I had my farming office. And these are like the people that want to be there, but they just don't have the ability, but they're... So I put them there, let them train and so on and so forth. They're making money.
I don't give my best leads because leads became very valuable, you know, and you don't want someone burning a lead. You know, are they burning a lead? It could have been a deal. So I had three offices at a time. Ultimately, I literally at one point in time, I had about 140 employees, 130 employees, 40 people per office. I had secretaries. I've had assistants. I had a CPA working directly.
I even had an attorney at the office. And he basically, because this is what happened. You got a sales rep, you know, they get paid Friday. They go fuck off on Friday night.
Next thing you know, somebody's going to have a snowball. Next thing you know, they're in jail Sunday. I need you back to work Monday.
right so i would hire an attorney obviously i know i'll place the attorney he would have to hire him i would pay him and they just i just take it out of his check right you know and like i need you on those fucking phones you know what i mean so you know good to be sitting in jail for you or me so you know i would ensure that that would happen to make sure that they're back in the office they love me for it you know because like i was looking out for their best interests as well as mine obviously
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Chapter 6: How did Gunnar's childhood influence his approach to business?
They broke out of jail. You know, they killed a captain. It was like they've got like like 12 bodies. And again, I'm not a violent guy. I've never, ever been involved in anything like that. But the person that I met was just like, I mean, nicest guy in the world. Right. So, you know, I actually meet him, um, ultimately, uh, meet him at one of my, uh, at my, uh, villa.
He and I hit it off and we're all talking and stuff like that. And, you know, he ends up asking, Hey, do you do powder? And, you know, I partied here and there when I drink and whatever for it, but he ends up saying, Hey, I want to come and show you something. So I ended up like going, he actually took me down the street, the same villa, the same neighborhood. I didn't even know that.
And I, you know, walk inside of it and stuff like that. And First time I've ever seen anything like this. And it's like in the corner of the house. There's nothing in there but plastic chairs and stuff like that. But in the corner of the house, the whole corner is locked up. It's like four feet high, three kilos of cocaine. And I'm like, what the? You know, I've never seen anything like that.
So on and so forth. I ended up befriending them, and we would actually form a really good, like, friendship, you know? But the thing was this. The town that I was living at, they weren't really allowed to go there because of, I guess, their location. They still had to, like, do business in the shadows. But what they did is they controlled certain neighborhoods.
They're called puntos or points, drug spots or stuff like that. And they had, like, 26 of them across the country. And they would basically come in, get their money, and leave. This is ultimately what had happened. So my relationship with them, they ended up being killed by the police. But their younger brother actually, when they were on the run, I provided shelter for them.
So the younger brother literally was treating me like family. So I had rented a vehicle and I loaned it to them while they were on the run. And in order to rent a vehicle, you got to give your passport. So I gave the passport for rent and let them rent the vehicle. Now they're out doing whatever they're doing.
I didn't know what they were doing, but ultimately they kidnapped, murdered, and trafficked drugs in my vehicle and ultimately got shot in a shootout with the police and the vehicle was seized and damaged. So now the individual I rented the vehicle from wouldn't release my passport. and I was going to pay him whatever he needed, but he was trying to extort me.
So I told the younger surviving brother what had happened. They went over there, and instead of getting my passport, they beat the guy so bad that he was like in a, what do you call it, a life support coma? Not like death, but like something induced coma. Yeah, like, I mean, that's not what I wanted, but I just wanted my passport. But that ended up happening, so now I'm totally screwed.
So I have to go to the embassy to get my passport. Now, ultimately, the reason why I needed my passport, I was trying to do the paperwork to bring my wife back to the United States. So I go to the embassy. Now, the embassy is approximately three hours from where I lived. So it's a day trip to go do that.
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