Lawyer Reveals How Guilty Clients Walk Free
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How did the DeLorean bank-robbery story illustrate chaotic client situations?
Better call Saul where he swaps the two guys.
Yeah, these kinds of things happen. I just robbed a bank. Cops are behind me and the ink pack just exploded on my hand.
But I've got your money. But I've got your money. Don't come here. Don't come here.
At the end of high school, I was like, maybe I should start figuring out a way to get into the law. So I started working for my former partner who's now deceased. So I started doing shit in the office. And next thing you know, he's like, We got some interesting stuff. And so this is like the circus begins. It's like, oh, I'm really, really getting into the whole wild, crazy chaos of the criminal law world. So we had this client. It had been a longstanding street-level dealer client of his that had done pretty well in that world because he kept getting off. He had the best lawyer. And he ended up getting a possession with intent to distribute case. A couple of days before the case, my partner Gil calls him up and says, hey, man, you owe me a shit ton of money.
You got to pay me. And the guy's like, oh, man, Gil, you know, I'm not hustling anymore. It's hard for me to get the money. He's like, well, your trial's coming up. If you want a lawyer, you just play really hardball with them. If you want a lawyer, you're going to get me paid. And so the guy had this brilliant idea. He says, all right, I'll get you paid. Two days later, I'm not messing with you, on a Friday, get this phone call. Gil. I just robbed a bank. Cops are behind me and the ink pack just exploded on my hand.
But I've got your money. But I've got your money. Don't come here. Don't come here.
I'm on my way. Meet me at the corner of... It was... So they got him. Court was on Monday. This happens on Friday. So it's just this next series of events. So... You can't even make this shit up if you try to. So now he has the possession intent case and he has a bank robbery case. So Gil says to him, well, now you're going to have to pay me for two cases. What are you going to do? I want to help you, but what are you going to do? He says, well, from my hustling days, I have a couple of things. One of them is a DeLorean. And if you can get the DeLorean, I have the title to it. I'll sign it over to you and you can sell that and I can get you paid. interesting, unique set of circumstances.
Why didn't you do that to begin with and skip the bank robbery?
Yeah, but people don't think that. They don't want to give up their stuff. You've seen that a million times. They don't want to give up what they have. They want to figure out new ways to come up with cash. So... I am tasked with the idea of going down to pick up this DeLorean out of some guy's driveway. So little seek me, 19 years old, 18 years old, jump in my Chevy S10 and I go down there. And I'm looking under the tarp and I see, wow, this is really a DeLorean. It's kind of cool, you know, back to the future car and just fishing around. Out comes this guy. That time he seemed pretty old to me. He was probably in his mid-40s. And he comes out, and he's got a shotgun.
What the hell are you doing?
What are you doing? I'm like, well, I work for so-and-so. They said it's okay to come pick this car up. Well, that car is mine. You can't take this car. I was like, well, we have the title to the car? And the guy says, it's getting scary. So I go jump back into the car like that's going to save me from a shotgun and call out the office. And we end up having to call the client's mother who was – very adamant that she was going to get what she wanted to get. She came down there, and she got that car towed out of there. We ended up selling the car, representing a guy who did his time, and life goes on. But that's the kind of crazy circus antics that go on in the chaotic criminal world.
I would think it would be much more fun to be a state attorney than it would be a federal attorney. A state-level attorney versus – Yeah, state criminal defense attorney than a federal because the federal seems so procedural and long and dragged out. 100 percent. I know the money is better, but it's still such a – it seems like the state criminal defense attorneys, they're not getting a $75,000 because their clients are making the same kind of money, but the cases seem so much more –
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did the DeLorean bank-robbery story illustrate chaotic client situations?
0:00–13:41
2
What are the key differences between state and federal criminal defense?
13:41–32:25
3
Why do defendants refuse pleas and how do Alford pleas work?
32:25–1:14:01
4
How can courts and programs help reduce recidivism for addicts and repeat offenders?
1:14:01–1:14:39
5
How did the guest rebuild life after prison and start writing books and a podcast?
1:14:39–1:17:38
6
What skills and trades do formerly incarcerated people learn to avoid recidivism?
1:17:38–1:24:15
7
How do RDAP and prison programs change behavior and reduce recidivism?
1:24:15–1:41:00
8
How do courtroom ID problems and ethical dilemmas affect criminal defense outcomes?
1:41:00–2:29:12
Speakers
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